Been reading through my usual posts and this thought popped up in my head. Did a bit of searching and now I'm curious what y'all's analysis is on this. And how potentially the CCP will respond to climate related consequences in the coming decades since they are becoming an increasingly massive superpower and their actions will have global impacts for the rest of the world.

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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    7 days ago

    and that China's total historical CO2 emmissions now exceed the EU's total historical CO2 emmissions.

    No they don't, where are you getting your numbers from?

    As I said, literally right before you cropped my quote:

    and as your own first linked article states,

    https://archive.is/KY2Ey

    As of last year, China had emitted more than the European Union since industrialization started, according to Carbon Brief, a climate-focused publication, although it remains far behind the total output of the United States over the same period.

    Its the sentence under the graph, in my last post which is also from the article you linked.

    • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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      7 days ago

      Fair 'nuff, missed that in the article. That said, though, a country of 1.4 billion eclipsing a region of 448 million (based on current population) isn't exactly earth-shattering, especially if you consider that including the UK would put the EU back on top and that the table Carbon Brief provides includes per capita emissions.

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      Wanna address anything else I said or just the one thing I messed up?

      • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 days ago

        They won't address anything, these anti-China concern trolls are always the same. Makes me wonder, if they think that climate change is such a major issue that China should collapse into 18th century levels of energy use to deal with it, why they aren't demanding the same of their own government, which, regardless of which nation it is, is doing far, far less than China is to combat climate change. This is just the usual westerner sour grapes that China is trying to fix the problem the west has caused and it makes them feel bad because China is the "bad guy country."

        • AnarchoAnarchist [none/use name]
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          6 days ago

          I genuinely believe that there are good faith arguments and critiques to make of China's green energy policies.

          I also genuinely believe that none of these important conversations are going to happen in English, and especially not on a lame social media site. Nor should they.

          • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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            6 days ago

            For sure, there are certainly ways China could be doing better, but they're also literally doing more than any other country right now, so westerners complaining about them is the height of hypocrisy.

        • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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          6 days ago

          It's nuts how much China has achieved with less than a quarter of the US's cumulative per capita emissions and around half the US's total emissions. I can't see how anyone can look st those numbers and see anything other than a story of massive and tragic waste but I guess that's the power of propaganda.

          • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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            6 days ago

            Yep. "China bad" is the default in the west, so they can't handle anything that contradicts that narrative. And if they were to actually look earnestly at the numbers, they would be forced to admit in their simple liberal binary "good guys/bad guys" system that the west are actually the bad guys there.