Not to be a "source?" lib, but where did you read that all of LA was warned to be ready to evacuate?
It wasn't in the article, as far as I could tell, and I haven't followed its growth but LA is so massive I can't imagine it's large enough yet to take over LA as a whole to warrant that warning.
That makes sense. It also makes sense that they'd probably say that out of an abundance of caution rather than thinking this is actually happening soon.
You're right - a red flag warning (which does cover almost the entire county) is not an evacuation warning. Red flag warnings in this context indicate that conditions in the area are favorable for fires. Evacuation warnings mean be ready to evacuate at any time, and if you have mobility issues and/or animals, start evacuating now.
Source: CERT training and 8 years in the health, safety, and emergency management field. Plus fire.ca.gov
Happy to help! And sure, if you can call this an insight I'll share it.
My biggest takeaway from this incident, so far, has been that since southern California is hotter, drier, and windier than any time in living memory - undeniably because of human-made climate change - this was inevitable. And once this round is over, it will happen again, and probably soon.
Local authorities need to have the guts to attack this problem head on before then. Climate change is here to stay, so while global efforts to mitigate the effects must switch into high gear yesterday, locally they need to start planning now for at least a 3-tiered approach to the problem.
First, engineer away as much of the risk as possible. This means burying every power line they can. Those that must remain above ground should be under constant upkeep to prevent spark-producing events and the forest from growing close to the lines themselves. Sure campfires and other individual actions (like setting off fireworks) can also cause fires, but the state already pushes hard to keep those under control and can easily ramp up educational campaigns and enforcement.
Second, more practices that effectively reduce the abundance of tinder-like fuel sources (in this case, dry brush) need to be implemented. Indigenous people from the region (Chumash and Tong-va tribes, for instance) have a long history of successful forest management and those practices should be studied and used to enhance what is currently being done (the indigenous tribes should be given a leadership role in this, if they want it, IMO).
Finally, it's not that easy (as far as I know) to make sure buildings and infrastructure are both fire- and earthquake-resistant in the region. And even if it is straightforward, it's not practical to retrofit every structure for fire on the scale needed, much like retrofitting for earthquakes has been a thing for 50 years and is still not complete. So what is to be done in the near term? Things like having industrial scale, automated fire suppression systems installed to douse homes and other infrastructure on the edge of communities near fire-prone areas could buy valuable time for firefighters and residents. Creating a low-fuel buffer zone along those edges and controlling land use in it could be a valuable addition to that approach.
But yeah, I am pessimistic that any large-scale, coordinated project like I just described would ever make it through our dysfunctional government processes intact. The track record is abysmal (see high speed rail and the unhoused crisis, for example). It'll probably end up being a patchwork of half- and quarter-measures implemented here and there, with poorer communities getting no preventative support whatsoever. I'd love to be proven wrong.
Thank you so much for sharing that! That's really interesting.
Yeah, it is a shame that it seems nothing will be done to prevent this from happening again, on a similar or larger scale at least anyway. I'm also hearing people talk about conspiracies that just skip over the reality of capitalism and climate change. I don't think the average USian can yet accept that truth even as they watch damn near entire cities burn to the ground.
No hope for the elites to do anything if that's still the case, especially depressing since there are things that can be done as you said.
Not to be a "source?" lib, but where did you read that all of LA was warned to be ready to evacuate?
It wasn't in the article, as far as I could tell, and I haven't followed its growth but LA is so massive I can't imagine it's large enough yet to take over LA as a whole to warrant that warning.
oh I took it straight from the article, looks like they changed it, here it is in the archive
https://archive.ph/Lbjvp
Ah, no worries! They do that. Thanks for clarifying!
I was just curious because that would be a fucking massive exodus.
To be fair, I don't think they mean all at once, but rather that all of the area of LA is under potential threat.
That makes sense. It also makes sense that they'd probably say that out of an abundance of caution rather than thinking this is actually happening soon.
that seems like the most likely scenario
You're right - a red flag warning (which does cover almost the entire county) is not an evacuation warning. Red flag warnings in this context indicate that conditions in the area are favorable for fires. Evacuation warnings mean be ready to evacuate at any time, and if you have mobility issues and/or animals, start evacuating now.
Source: CERT training and 8 years in the health, safety, and emergency management field. Plus fire.ca.gov
That makes sense. Thanks!
Any insight or thoughts you want to share about what is happening in LA right now or what you might expect?
Happy to help! And sure, if you can call this an insight I'll share it.
My biggest takeaway from this incident, so far, has been that since southern California is hotter, drier, and windier than any time in living memory - undeniably because of human-made climate change - this was inevitable. And once this round is over, it will happen again, and probably soon.
Local authorities need to have the guts to attack this problem head on before then. Climate change is here to stay, so while global efforts to mitigate the effects must switch into high gear yesterday, locally they need to start planning now for at least a 3-tiered approach to the problem.
First, engineer away as much of the risk as possible. This means burying every power line they can. Those that must remain above ground should be under constant upkeep to prevent spark-producing events and the forest from growing close to the lines themselves. Sure campfires and other individual actions (like setting off fireworks) can also cause fires, but the state already pushes hard to keep those under control and can easily ramp up educational campaigns and enforcement.
Second, more practices that effectively reduce the abundance of tinder-like fuel sources (in this case, dry brush) need to be implemented. Indigenous people from the region (Chumash and Tong-va tribes, for instance) have a long history of successful forest management and those practices should be studied and used to enhance what is currently being done (the indigenous tribes should be given a leadership role in this, if they want it, IMO).
Finally, it's not that easy (as far as I know) to make sure buildings and infrastructure are both fire- and earthquake-resistant in the region. And even if it is straightforward, it's not practical to retrofit every structure for fire on the scale needed, much like retrofitting for earthquakes has been a thing for 50 years and is still not complete. So what is to be done in the near term? Things like having industrial scale, automated fire suppression systems installed to douse homes and other infrastructure on the edge of communities near fire-prone areas could buy valuable time for firefighters and residents. Creating a low-fuel buffer zone along those edges and controlling land use in it could be a valuable addition to that approach.
But yeah, I am pessimistic that any large-scale, coordinated project like I just described would ever make it through our dysfunctional government processes intact. The track record is abysmal (see high speed rail and the unhoused crisis, for example). It'll probably end up being a patchwork of half- and quarter-measures implemented here and there, with poorer communities getting no preventative support whatsoever. I'd love to be proven wrong.
Thank you so much for sharing that! That's really interesting.
Yeah, it is a shame that it seems nothing will be done to prevent this from happening again, on a similar or larger scale at least anyway. I'm also hearing people talk about conspiracies that just skip over the reality of capitalism and climate change. I don't think the average USian can yet accept that truth even as they watch damn near entire cities burn to the ground.
No hope for the elites to do anything if that's still the case, especially depressing since there are things that can be done as you said.