Yes, The Gate of Heavenly Peace by Carma Hinton is very helpful to understanding the context of the situation. Both sides (government and protestors) had a bunch of qualms about it, which is a pretty good place for it to be. If you haven't seen it, check it out before jumping in to the "China good" or Tienanmen '89 discourse, it only 3 hours and while not exhaustive, will get you started on things.
P.S. Count how many times the protestors are shown singing The Internationale and gtfo of here with the "necessary evil to combat liberalism" bs (I know it's due to a lack of information, but it's a bit frustrating to see).
Yes, thanks for the rec, I'll definitely check it out. I'm definitely trying to dig deeper into Chinese history since I can see (like most of us on this sub) that they are in the process of securing their spot in the world, while Western capitalism is starting to look a bit shaky ("crumbling" is a bit strong imo, but we'll see). It's definitely a lot more complicated than "China good/bad" of course.
BTW, I'm working on a personal project that a couple of other Cha.Cha users are helping out with if you're interested. It's in its earliest stages, but the end goal would be a sort of "Khan Academy" for socialism, and it seems like you might have some knowledge to contribute if you're interested. DM me if you want to chat more about it and see what we're up to (and anyone else can as well).
Yes, The Gate of Heavenly Peace by Carma Hinton is very helpful to understanding the context of the situation. Both sides (government and protestors) had a bunch of qualms about it, which is a pretty good place for it to be. If you haven't seen it, check it out before jumping in to the "China good" or Tienanmen '89 discourse, it only 3 hours and while not exhaustive, will get you started on things.
P.S. Count how many times the protestors are shown singing The Internationale and gtfo of here with the "necessary evil to combat liberalism" bs (I know it's due to a lack of information, but it's a bit frustrating to see).
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Yes, thanks for the rec, I'll definitely check it out. I'm definitely trying to dig deeper into Chinese history since I can see (like most of us on this sub) that they are in the process of securing their spot in the world, while Western capitalism is starting to look a bit shaky ("crumbling" is a bit strong imo, but we'll see). It's definitely a lot more complicated than "China good/bad" of course.
BTW, I'm working on a personal project that a couple of other Cha.Cha users are helping out with if you're interested. It's in its earliest stages, but the end goal would be a sort of "Khan Academy" for socialism, and it seems like you might have some knowledge to contribute if you're interested. DM me if you want to chat more about it and see what we're up to (and anyone else can as well).