Brigading is a made-up reddit thing. It used to be normal for forums to “raid” other forums, and if you couldn’t deal with that, it was on you. However we are not “raiding” there is no organised movement to go somewhere and post on it. We see the same posts pop up in “all”, and we have a large and active userbase, that’s all that’s happening.
You realise we can access hexbear.net and see the local posts? It's absolutely coordinated behaviour. Hexbear users post links to a given thread from another instance in chat or chapo or wherever with a suitably inflammatory title along with a call to arms along the lines of "Look at this terrible liberal take, OMG the entire cookie baking community is full of bigots and transphobes. Cookie bakers are bourgeois as hell!". Cue your entire community piling in to the cookie baking community to completely destroy all discussion of baking cookies until they get bored and move on.
You spend a lot of time talking about good faith discussions but from my perspective it's the hexbear community that isn't acting in good faith in most instances.
Regarding being “wrong about lib” I’m gonna disagree again. I think you have a different definition of what that is. Oftentimes we think of ourselves as being “leftists” or whatever, but by our words and actions we support the current (neo-liberal) system. Then it does not matter what we identify as, if we’re still furthering something else. If you’re interested in that kinda stuff you might want to read Combat Liberalism. It’s pretty short, so it’s a nice and quick primer.
I accept this, and I am guilty of this to the extreme. I was extremely politically active in my late teens and early 20's, and active in the labor movement. I have the criminal record as proof. I'm old as fuck now, and I have several people that depend on me NOT being in jail, and to continue pretending to be a functional member of our neo-liberal society to keep them from starving in the street.
I hate that the entirety of my time and energy is now exhausted on enriching "investors". I saw the system for what it is from a young age and fell into all of the traps anyway. The traps are effective, but that does not mean that my political ideology is in alignment with the system that sets them. Still, I acknowledge your point that things cannot change without action, and most times that means violent and illegal action. The system is built to protect itself.
As for your link... Mao Tse-tung killed, brutalised and starved to death more human beings than any other person that has ever lived. MILLIONS dead. If the society you seek to build is based on that same, tired old philosophy then I will fight you every step of the way. It's a very strange person that looks at the history of China over the last 100 years and decides they'd like to repeat it.
It's a very strange person that looks at the history of China over the last 100 years and decides they'd like to repeat it.
Yeah, who would ever want to repeat this:
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Famines were extremely common in China before the communists came to power and the Chinese people were among the poorest in the world. Mao certainly made mistakes, but these specific, dramatic events have been exaggerated to the point of obscuring the more general trend towards food security and poverty alleviation. Likewise, rural Chinese had no access whatsoever to modern medicine like vaccines, meaning that they were plagued by horrible, preventable diseases. But for some reason my history books neglected to mention things like the wildly successful Barefoot Doctors program, which drastically improved Chinese life expectancy and quality of life. I suppose stuff like that isn't all that exciting since we take it for granted, but the fact is that no country has ever lifted more people out of poverty and extreme poverty in so short a time as the PRC. And it certainly wasn't going to happen under the nationalists.
Right, so riding the coattails of industrialization along with every single other country that was involved in WW2 is the direct result of Maoist thought and brutal fake-communist rule? You need to check a map, I think you are lost.
China's industrialization and rise in life expectancy did not require Mao Zedong thought, but it did require someone who was interested in doing it, and the nationalists weren't, nor were the invading Japanese, nor were the various warlord factions following the collapse of the Qing, nor were the Qing, nor were the European colonizers. Every one of those factions only wanted to loot the country for the short term benefit of their ruling elite. Any one of them could have accomplished a similar miracle, but they chose not to. Obviously, it was industrialization that brought about the bulk of the benefits, but there are reasons why China had not previously achieved its potential on that front. It would've been better if China had been led by someone who didn't have big brained ideas like killing all the sparrows, but like I said, despite these mistakes the general trend is clearly positive.
Not every country experienced the same rise in life expectancy or industrialization after WWII, no. Even today, many parts of the world experience food insecurity and over 700 million people live in extreme poverty, so I have no idea what you're on about. Of course, the idea that China would've experienced the same level of growth without the CPC is an unfalsifiable counterfactual, but we can plainly see the trend of a lack of growth prior to communist control in the graph I posted.
Here's what the infamous communist propaganda rag The World Bank has to say:
Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. At China’s current national poverty line, the number of poor fell by 770 million over the same period.
Let me put it another way: how would the world look different to you if China was successful in alleviating poverty vs if it wasn't? How much information about the life of an average rural Chinese person actually makes its way to your feed? That's not an accusation or anything, there's lots of stuff happening everywhere around the world and no one can be expected to keep track of everything. It's just an observation that there are a lot of people, not just in China but all around the world, whose perspectives don't get proportionate representation in Western media or high school textbooks. It might be worthwhile to consider whether there are important details that have been omitted or deemphasized in the narrative you were taught.
You realise we can access hexbear.net and see the local posts? It's absolutely coordinated behaviour. Hexbear users post links to a given thread from another instance in chat or chapo or wherever with a suitably inflammatory title along with a call to arms
Do you think we're having users make accounts on defederated instances? We have a specific rule against "brigading" federated instances because it had like one thread about Ada where it actually happened. This is you jumping at shadows.
Mao Tse-tung
The modern romanization is Zedong, philistine.
killed, brutalised and starved to death more human beings than any other person that has ever lived.
Tell me about how much you aren't a lib.
If the society you seek to build is based on that same, tired old philosophy then I will fight you every step of the way.
As opposed to what? Anarchism? That's even older! But no, associating you with anarchists gives you too much credit. Tell us about how we should put more stock in whatever boutique ideology you pseudo-leftist piss sommeliers have cooked up lately instead of the ones that have actually gained ground or even exist outside of the internet.
It's a very strange person that looks at the history of China over the last 100 years and decides they'd like to repeat it.
It's a very strange person that talks about "the history of China over the last 100 years" while having themselves studied so little of it.
This is why Lenin emphasised a party with paid, professional cadre. Workers don't have the time and have responsibilities to others. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but a professional core is still essential.
Join a party that's only moderately terrible, pay your dues.
As for Mao...it was arguably the least terrible century China has ever had, despite his errors. Most notably leaning too far into the KPAM's anarchist theory during the Great Leap Forward. (I like the KPAM but they had bad takes like anyone else.)
You realise we can access hexbear.net and see the local posts? It's absolutely coordinated behaviour. Hexbear users post links to a given thread from another instance in chat or chapo or wherever with a suitably inflammatory title along with a call to arms along the lines of "Look at this terrible liberal take, OMG the entire cookie baking community is full of bigots and transphobes. Cookie bakers are bourgeois as hell!". Cue your entire community piling in to the cookie baking community to completely destroy all discussion of baking cookies until they get bored and move on.
You spend a lot of time talking about good faith discussions but from my perspective it's the hexbear community that isn't acting in good faith in most instances.
I accept this, and I am guilty of this to the extreme. I was extremely politically active in my late teens and early 20's, and active in the labor movement. I have the criminal record as proof. I'm old as fuck now, and I have several people that depend on me NOT being in jail, and to continue pretending to be a functional member of our neo-liberal society to keep them from starving in the street.
I hate that the entirety of my time and energy is now exhausted on enriching "investors". I saw the system for what it is from a young age and fell into all of the traps anyway. The traps are effective, but that does not mean that my political ideology is in alignment with the system that sets them. Still, I acknowledge your point that things cannot change without action, and most times that means violent and illegal action. The system is built to protect itself.
As for your link... Mao Tse-tung killed, brutalised and starved to death more human beings than any other person that has ever lived. MILLIONS dead. If the society you seek to build is based on that same, tired old philosophy then I will fight you every step of the way. It's a very strange person that looks at the history of China over the last 100 years and decides they'd like to repeat it.
Yeah, who would ever want to repeat this:
Famines were extremely common in China before the communists came to power and the Chinese people were among the poorest in the world. Mao certainly made mistakes, but these specific, dramatic events have been exaggerated to the point of obscuring the more general trend towards food security and poverty alleviation. Likewise, rural Chinese had no access whatsoever to modern medicine like vaccines, meaning that they were plagued by horrible, preventable diseases. But for some reason my history books neglected to mention things like the wildly successful Barefoot Doctors program, which drastically improved Chinese life expectancy and quality of life. I suppose stuff like that isn't all that exciting since we take it for granted, but the fact is that no country has ever lifted more people out of poverty and extreme poverty in so short a time as the PRC. And it certainly wasn't going to happen under the nationalists.
Right, so riding the coattails of industrialization along with every single other country that was involved in WW2 is the direct result of Maoist thought and brutal fake-communist rule? You need to check a map, I think you are lost.
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China's industrialization and rise in life expectancy did not require Mao Zedong thought, but it did require someone who was interested in doing it, and the nationalists weren't, nor were the invading Japanese, nor were the various warlord factions following the collapse of the Qing, nor were the Qing, nor were the European colonizers. Every one of those factions only wanted to loot the country for the short term benefit of their ruling elite. Any one of them could have accomplished a similar miracle, but they chose not to. Obviously, it was industrialization that brought about the bulk of the benefits, but there are reasons why China had not previously achieved its potential on that front. It would've been better if China had been led by someone who didn't have big brained ideas like killing all the sparrows, but like I said, despite these mistakes the general trend is clearly positive.
Not every country experienced the same rise in life expectancy or industrialization after WWII, no. Even today, many parts of the world experience food insecurity and over 700 million people live in extreme poverty, so I have no idea what you're on about. Of course, the idea that China would've experienced the same level of growth without the CPC is an unfalsifiable counterfactual, but we can plainly see the trend of a lack of growth prior to communist control in the graph I posted.
Here's what the infamous communist propaganda rag The World Bank has to say:
Let me put it another way: how would the world look different to you if China was successful in alleviating poverty vs if it wasn't? How much information about the life of an average rural Chinese person actually makes its way to your feed? That's not an accusation or anything, there's lots of stuff happening everywhere around the world and no one can be expected to keep track of everything. It's just an observation that there are a lot of people, not just in China but all around the world, whose perspectives don't get proportionate representation in Western media or high school textbooks. It might be worthwhile to consider whether there are important details that have been omitted or deemphasized in the narrative you were taught.
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Oh, I didn’t know you were the arbitor of what was fake-communist rule
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Do you think we're having users make accounts on defederated instances? We have a specific rule against "brigading" federated instances because it had like one thread about Ada where it actually happened. This is you jumping at shadows.
The modern romanization is Zedong, philistine.
Tell me about how much you aren't a lib.
As opposed to what? Anarchism? That's even older! But no, associating you with anarchists gives you too much credit. Tell us about how we should put more stock in whatever boutique ideology you pseudo-leftist piss sommeliers have cooked up lately instead of the ones that have actually gained ground or even exist outside of the internet.
It's a very strange person that talks about "the history of China over the last 100 years" while having themselves studied so little of it.
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I bey you think this “political freedom” should apply also to Nazis. Fuck off with that bullshit
This is why Lenin emphasised a party with paid, professional cadre. Workers don't have the time and have responsibilities to others. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but a professional core is still essential.
Join a party that's only moderately terrible, pay your dues.
As for Mao...it was arguably the least terrible century China has ever had, despite his errors. Most notably leaning too far into the KPAM's anarchist theory during the Great Leap Forward. (I like the KPAM but they had bad takes like anyone else.)
Millions dead lmfao. I bet you heard that on your Fox News