not voting for trump but low key hope biden doesnt win so the material conditions of a failing America will be on full display

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Electoral campaigns should be used as a form of publicity and "advertising" (eww) for the movement. By the time the movement is powerful enough any election held will be merely symbolic as most people will support you anyway. (See the ANC/South Africa 1994 elections).

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      The thing is that the focus needs to be starting our own party. Electoral campaigns should be like the third of fourth prioty of the workers' party, and should be treated more like marketing campaigns as you suggest.

      I think that the point of the anti-electoral stance isn't that there's no use-case, but that there isn't a place for it in the current US political environment where an actual workers' party doesn't exist.

    • karl [he/him]
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      Voting is a tactic in a larger revolutionary strategy, a thing which even Lenin understood smdh :virgil-sad:

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        Everyone please read "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder for some quality Lenin dunks on ultras with an inflexible tactical line on elections and stuff.

        The American system is incredibly undemocratic and inflexible though, and Americans are incredibly brainwashed about it, so I think in the US most of that value comes from propaganda.

        Even the Sanders stuff isn't completely without value when you consider how much easier it is now to break through on the US not being a democracy to a section of Sanders libs, and the effect this had on the old sub. (though that's only a first baby step to capitalize on)

    • RealAssHistoryHours [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      The last thing Engels ever wrote (1895 preface to the Class Struggles in France) is absolutely essential for anyone that says "abandon electoralism."

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      Voting is a tactic in a larger revolutionary strategy. Even Lenin understood this smh