• cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    No way this shit works in America the same way it does in the UK. In the UK Jews are majority tory voters, in the US Jews are much more left wing.

    • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Really? I asked my first ever jewish American friend what her political leanings were and she looked at me like I was an idiot and said "duh, I'm jewish, republican."

      • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Wtf lmfao, the vast majority of Jews are democrats, and that falls out by age. Maybe some orthodox jews are more Republican leaning, but that's not universally true at all. It's like 80/20.

        • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yeah I believe you. She may have been from a more rich/suburban/zionist place than most. The "democrats are extremist anti zionist" kind of zionism.

          • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah even most Jews that support Israel still vote democrat. The Republican party is far too Christian for most Jews.

            • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              There IS an element of vocal opposition to Israeli supremacy within the democrats. Obama has said that they "cannot permanently occupy and settle on Palestinian land." So I get it, if I were a single-issue zionist candidate, I'd be wary of this kind of "dangerous language" from the democrats. They're also not quite as rhetorically loyal to AIPAC as republicans are. So I assumed most zionists thought this way.

              OBVIOUSLY It should go without saying that beyond some mild rhetoric, neither party have ever intended to challenge warcrimes in Palestine. Bernie was the slightly less mild rhetorical candidate on this, and Jezza was a step further.

              • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Yeah, Israeli Americans are much more republican leaning, but again, it's probably no more than 50/50.

                Bernie's early political teachings are that of old school labour Zionism (people forget that Israel had a socialist economic system until 1985 that was probably most similar to that of market socialist yugoslavia), but there still is a ton of Zionism imbedded in that ideology, it's why he's so in love with worker co-ops, and doesn't support BDS due to support for a 2 state solution.

                This also said, most Jews even if they support the end of palestinian occupation, do not support BDS for their call for a 1 state solution because they just think it would mean decades of civil war.

                • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Very interesting. It's becoming more and more clear how poorly read I am on the subject lol

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        4 years ago

        I come from a long line of New York Jews who all diligently vote Democrat at the top of the ticket and then spend two hours explaining why Mayor Bloomberg was the best mayor the city ever had.

      • Moosegender [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Um, 75-80 percent of Jews vote dems. That's the highest after African Americans.