Lenin p worked with capitalists, liberals and the bourgeoisie. Only in the process of layer stages of 1917 (not 1905!) would he switch to taking power directly, without a liberal revolution. Which made him deviate from orthodox Marxism and implement more central power.
I mean Mao worked with the "Nationalist Bourgeoise" or whatever right?
Granted they were subordinate to the party and the circumstances in feudal china and capitalist usa are different.
In fact the exact opposite - they were a colonial country held in shackles by the imperial powers /Japan/uk/France and USA
So China was a communist revolution and a national liberation struggle against capitalist imperialism described in Lenins Right Of Nations To Self Determination
The equivalent item (if we're trying to find one) is the Communist Party of China working with Uncle Tom Chinese that collaborated with the foreigners
You're absolutely right. Stalin would never ally with capitalists like Churchill, and Mao would never consider forming a United Front with a capitalist like Chang Kai-shek. The history understander has logged on.
Having conquered political power in their own countries and made concessions against super powers in foreign policy is the same as lining up behind a succdem in the imperial core
Is there not a difference between an imperial country and the imperial core? Imperial Japan was an imperial country but not part of the core, was it not?
Actually no for this analysis Lenin and Stalin not lining up with succdems (and instead ruthlessly exposing them) is what he did within the imperialist nation he lived in and so the material circumstances are basically the same
Social-democracy is capitalism. Social-democrats are not socialists
Lenin/Stalin/Mao and Castro did not go "we need to work with capitalists" lol. They conquered them and in some instances shot them.
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Lenin p worked with capitalists, liberals and the bourgeoisie. Only in the process of layer stages of 1917 (not 1905!) would he switch to taking power directly, without a liberal revolution. Which made him deviate from orthodox Marxism and implement more central power.
Lenin started the NEP and Deng went right back to capitalism.
To build up industry did Lenin work with capitalists? Or was the communist party in control of the industry and the economy?
Dengs a revisionist so not sure what your point is
Both Mao and Stalin absolutely and concretely did advocate working with the “progressive” bourgeoisie as part of the whole two-stage theory error.
Correct. Stalin never made deals with Fascists. He historically never invaded Poland alongside Hitler in 1939
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I mean Mao worked with the "Nationalist Bourgeoise" or whatever right? Granted they were subordinate to the party and the circumstances in feudal china and capitalist usa are different.
China was not an imperialist country though
In fact the exact opposite - they were a colonial country held in shackles by the imperial powers /Japan/uk/France and USA
So China was a communist revolution and a national liberation struggle against capitalist imperialism described in Lenins Right Of Nations To Self Determination
The equivalent item (if we're trying to find one) is the Communist Party of China working with Uncle Tom Chinese that collaborated with the foreigners
They didn't...they shot them
I know, I am just being nitpicky. I'm not suggesting the situations are comparable.
You're absolutely right. Stalin would never ally with capitalists like Churchill, and Mao would never consider forming a United Front with a capitalist like Chang Kai-shek. The history understander has logged on.
Yes thats absolutely comparable
Having conquered political power in their own countries and made concessions against super powers in foreign policy is the same as lining up behind a succdem in the imperial core
Do you know anything about Chinese history? Like, at all?
It's almost as if Stalin and Mao didn't live in the imperial core and aren't perfect examples for operating within it.
Oh wow is Tsarist Russia not an imperial country?
history understander indeed
Is there not a difference between an imperial country and the imperial core? Imperial Japan was an imperial country but not part of the core, was it not?
It's a useless analysis as the "core" has changed over time and the "core" we now understand didn't exist prior to ww2
Tsarist Russia was an imperialist country
Japan was an imperialist country
Point being that the material conditions are different.
Actually no for this analysis Lenin and Stalin not lining up with succdems (and instead ruthlessly exposing them) is what he did within the imperialist nation he lived in and so the material circumstances are basically the same
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