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  • silent_water [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    As mentioned, Russia has a much longer history of violating agreements on Ukrainian borders.

    what are you talking about? over the past 10 years, it's been Ukraine violating the accords, ever since the Maidan coup. I'm not saying there weren't also violations by the separatist factions but those have been tit-for-tat actions in response to shelling.

    And anyway what does Ukraine get from negotiations that it wouldn't get from Russian withdrawal?

    an immediate cease fire that doesn't require a winning a war they're never going to win?

    • uniqueid198x@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago
      • Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation, and Partnership between Ukraine and the Russian Federation
      • The Budapest Memorandum
      • The Sochi Accords
      • Treaty on the Russia-Ukraine State Border
      • The Minsk Agreement
      • The Second Minsk Agreement

      Which of these was violated by Ukraine, and in what way?

      A ceasefire in exchange for what? What does Ukraine give up for a ceasefire? What terms of a peace treaty do you think are benificial to the people of Ukraine?

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        What terms of a peace treaty do you think are benificial to the people of Ukraine?

        What's best for the Ukraine?

        Neutrality and recognition of Novorossiya in exchange for an end to hostilities.

        or

        Neutrality and recognition of Novorossiya in exchange for an end to hostilities, after a couple of years and a couple of hundred thousand dead.

        Those are the realistic options. There's no probable scenario in which the Kiev government is able to conquer all of Novorossiya, genocide the Russian-speaking population, extradite Putin to the Hague, join NATO, the EU and get a pony. The only thing the west has to offer the Ukrainian people is more suffering.