You're right, but I don't know that we as socialists should encourage this framing. It allows too much room for CEOs and PMC ghouls to point towards market growth parameters (which are still stolen labour abstacted into capitalist numerology) and claim this justifies their obscene salaries.
I can also see how this line of reasoning could be twisted to support underpaying those perceived as being less productive because the chosen metric fails to capture their contributions.
The framing, even if it were made in good faith (which I doubt), is still woke capitalism at best. No amount of optimisation will make wage labour fair and no amount of emplyee fulfillment research will stop capitalist alienation. These are baked into the code of the system.
There is no one way to reach people, since cultural background and material conditions change a lot. Ironically, I think this article could be a great entry point with white collar libs. For every middle management bootlicker who's paid not to think too hard about it, there are at least 10 people under him, who know full well that their jobs are mostly bullshit. Starting a conversation on fair wages can be used to expose a serious contradiction in their way of life. On the one hand, they are exploited and mistreated by their bosses, and most know it deep down. On the other, the capitalist system, if applied "fairly" (by its own rules) would see them driven homeless and starving. At this point bring up the reserve army of labour, and how much power management hold over them. Challenge their ideas of freedom and democracy, when the owner is a feudal lord in all but name. Shit like that.
Cool, who cares? If someone who "cares" about their work is demoralised by the "lazy bastards" getting as much money as them, they're fucked in the head and need reprogramming.
I don't care about my coworkers dicking around on the job because I know that we don't get paid more for working harder anyway and it leads to more of us just putting in the hours and not giving a fuck. I think people took the wrong message from what I said, perhaps I could have worded it better? That and they deserve better pay to begin with just for putting up with a job that sucks and is dehumanizing.
Almost like it demoralizes people that care about their work while incentivizing people to simply put in the hours and not give a fuck.
You're right, but I don't know that we as socialists should encourage this framing. It allows too much room for CEOs and PMC ghouls to point towards market growth parameters (which are still stolen labour abstacted into capitalist numerology) and claim this justifies their obscene salaries.
I can also see how this line of reasoning could be twisted to support underpaying those perceived as being less productive because the chosen metric fails to capture their contributions.
The framing, even if it were made in good faith (which I doubt), is still woke capitalism at best. No amount of optimisation will make wage labour fair and no amount of emplyee fulfillment research will stop capitalist alienation. These are baked into the code of the system.
Yes. How do we reach these libs?
There is no one way to reach people, since cultural background and material conditions change a lot. Ironically, I think this article could be a great entry point with white collar libs. For every middle management bootlicker who's paid not to think too hard about it, there are at least 10 people under him, who know full well that their jobs are mostly bullshit. Starting a conversation on fair wages can be used to expose a serious contradiction in their way of life. On the one hand, they are exploited and mistreated by their bosses, and most know it deep down. On the other, the capitalist system, if applied "fairly" (by its own rules) would see them driven homeless and starving. At this point bring up the reserve army of labour, and how much power management hold over them. Challenge their ideas of freedom and democracy, when the owner is a feudal lord in all but name. Shit like that.
Thank you:)
Cool, who cares? If someone who "cares" about their work is demoralised by the "lazy bastards" getting as much money as them, they're fucked in the head and need reprogramming.
I don't care about my coworkers dicking around on the job because I know that we don't get paid more for working harder anyway and it leads to more of us just putting in the hours and not giving a fuck. I think people took the wrong message from what I said, perhaps I could have worded it better? That and they deserve better pay to begin with just for putting up with a job that sucks and is dehumanizing.
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