Obviously this is not a big deal but it does irk me sometimes when people include ableism alongside the other isms or when they say shit along the lines of "as a disabled queer POC". The logic being whatever aspect of your identity "disadvantages" you the harder you have it and the more righteous you are. It really is straight intersectional bullshit and trivializes the fact that race and gender are all things that are violently enforced to maintain the political rule of capitalism. It is true that disabled people suffer disproportionately under capitalism, especially under the pretext that all humans must work to produce value for profit, but hell capitalism fucks over all kinds of people. At the end of the day its just not a special form of oppression that deserves the same level of attention as forms of oppression literally centrally to capitalism. The reason questionable languages like this takes hold is because there is a plethora of liberal or straight up reactionary theoreticians the likes of Slavoj Zizek and Judith Butler that dominates the intellectual sphere and the revolutionary kernel of Marxism completely buried under paragraphs after paragraphs of indecipherable bullshit made up so some humanities professor can keep their pathetic job.
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I think if you look at the history of ableism you'll see it's been just as systemic as the other isms. The US used to have ugly laws, that is laws against people with unsightly appearances, deformities, disabilities. Those people were cited in violation for being visible in public. If you look at how deaf people were treated...just horrible. These things have been violently enforced. Let's not forget asylums, sanitariums, forced sterilizations, forced lobotomies, etc.
Sounds like you're just mad someone on the internet for being self-righteous and are trying to attribute it to them being the wrong kind of leftist. But I think history pretty well justifies the "level" of ableism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_law
Literally banning unsightly disabled and poor people from public. Yes it is intersectional bullshit because class intersects with these things.
I think also the widespread use of intersectionality causes a negation of it in reaction whereas the Marxist-Leninist term coined by Claudia Jones "layered oppression" inherently relates how systems of oppression interact with more clarity.
when people include ableism alongside the other isms or when they say shit along the lines of "as a disabled queer POC". The logic being whatever aspect of your identity "disadvantages" you the harder you have it and the more righteous you are.
This is literally the "oppression olympics" shit that right-wingers spew.
Come on.
At the end of the day its just not a special form of oppression that deserves the same level of attention as forms of oppression literally centrally to capitalism.
The reason questionable languages like this takes hold is because there is a plethora of liberal or straight up reactionary theoreticians the likes of Slavoj Zizek and Judith Butler that dominates the intellectual sphere and the revolutionary kernel of Marxism completely buried under paragraphs after paragraphs of indecipherable bullshit made up so some humanities professor can keep their pathetic job.We did, and without further explanation from you this reads like class reductionist bullshit.
so you think disabled people face the same kind of oppression that queer and people of color face? Gender oppression has been around since the inception of class society, the subjugation of races, their exploitation and expropriation created the bulk of capitalist wealth, what is the significance of the oppression that disabled people face historically? It is not something that gets to stand on equal footing with the other two, and quit throwing stupid names at me
what is the significance of the oppression that disabled people face historically?
Is this some sort of weird bit I'm not getting?
Disabled babies were literally killed at birth not too long ago, then we "progressed" to locking them up in institutions, and where we are now capitalists are doing their best to ensure that tHe gUbMinT can't force them to even do something as basic as making their businesses wheelchair accessible.
The level of ignorance you're displaying here is fucking astounding.
what? They die or get killed off in the background of arguments like this.
Why are you so opposed to the liberation of disabled people, or at the very least opposed to their inclusion in our own struggle? What purpose does this serve?
The intellectually disabled being sterilized and executed is, like, how the whole Holocaust idea came about
so you think disabled people face the same kind of oppression that queer and people of color face?
Explaining to a guy in a wheelchair that his is unable to use the non-ADA complaint restroom for reasons that are totally different than the poc or LGBT person legally bared from its use.
Therefore, the material constraint doesn't matter.
race and gender are all things that are violently enforced to maintain the political rule of capitalism
you are allowed to forcibly sterilize disabled/neurodivergent people in the united states
also poverty is violence and people with disabilities have a significantly higher chance of ending up impoverished. in fact, I'd argue that ableism is so fundamentally embedded into capitalism comparative to the have-to-be-actively-maintained hierarchies of white supremacy and patriarchy that people such as yourself truly do not see it as systemic violence, but as a fact of life.
Mark Fisher quote, Marx 'from and to' quote
You're reducing disabilities to their impacts upon labour and ignoring oppressions suffered due to social disability, which includes the social effects of physical disabilities.
This is a very capitalist brained take on the issue, reducing everything to work and productivity and neglecting the aspect of life that is living instead of working.
What do you think about the idea that disability is a relation to our function as productive workers and psychiatric hegemony?
Are you talking the performance of sharing personal details? Was the "as a disabled queer POC" relevant to whatever discussion was being had?
Access and accessibility are things to always strive for, particularly physical and social spaces. This world is not made for disabled people, and it very well should be.Idk that I'm understanding the OP honestly
Of course it should be, under communism disabled people will be liberated because people will no longer be treated as sacks of surplus value producing machines that area discarded after depletion. But the point stands that ableism is not on the same level as the other forms of oppression it undeservedly stands next to.
But the point stands that ableism is not on the same level as the other forms of oppression it undeservedly stands next to.
why tho
Do you seriously beleive that the only way people with disabilities are being discriminated against is in the form of being unable to work as productively and are therefore unable to provide for themselves under capitalism?
I'll keep this thread open but if this becomes a struggle sesh, it's gone.
Keep it civil yall.
paragraphs of indecipherable bullshit made up so some humanities professor can keep their pathetic job
STEMlord take detected.
If all the "pathetic jobs" were gone there'd be nothing but a gradually smaller pool of treat production and treat distribution gigs. Life would be worse for it and people would be more ignorant to the suffering they were experiencing and even less aware that better ways were possible.
Steinbeck's works, for example, wouldn't be known to anyone without those "pathetic jobs" and that would only further normalize and entrench the grip the ruling class has on us.
The second half of the paragraph is the important part, the first really describes the symptom but second the real disorder
