Capitalism worked under Eastern aggression, Communist economic sanctions, Communist covert actions, and a propaganda apparatus far more widespread than anything from the West.
It worked better than Communism because it works better than Communism. LMFAO
Right, the countries that invaded the USSR in its nascent years, constantly tried to assassinate leaders of progressive movements, couped most countries on Earth.
Communist economic sanctions, Communist covert actions
The projection lol
and a propaganda apparatus far more widespread than anything from the West.
As that joke goes, a CIA and KGB officer meet at a bar. The CIA officer says to the KGB officer "You've got a good propaganda machine!", the KGB officer replies "Well, yours is unbeatable."
The CIA agent responds with "What propaganda? In the West we don't have propaganda."
Your shitty dictatorships failed because they were orders of magnitude more corrupt and dysfunctional than capitalism, and even more oppressive towards the general public.
Westerners hate their government so much that they cannot see beyond their own parochial worldview to even entertain the idea that some people would feel generally supportive of their government.
Those sneaky Orientals must be lying in order to trick is good, honest, non-perfidious enlightened westerners again.
Let's try a different tack then - if it's illegal to disapprove of the government and you'll be locked up for it, and 10% of the population voice disapproval, why are only 0.12% of the population imprisoned? Do you actually understand the logistical undertaking disappearing or imprisoning over 140 million people would be? Do you not think it's more likely that it's just not illegal to disapprove, and that they really do generally approve of their government?
The 90% figure comes from the Harvard Kennedy School ASH Centre for Democratic Governance and Innovation. There is no fucking possible way you are suggesting that Harvard University is distributing CPC propaganda.
They're both auth dictator scumbags who steal from and oppress the people. Dictators are dictators. Left or right, the only difference is exactly who they want to kill. The Soviets oppressed and occupied Eastern Europe and Putin wants nothing more than to do the same.
Thankfully, Putin is less capable than Stalin, so Russian fascist rule isn't as terrible as Soviet communist rule.
The plenty of the Communist bourgeois and the deprivation of the common people certainly were. The Party members could drive Mercedes if they wanted while the regular people could only dream about a Lada, could enjoy fancy French wines while the common people wait in bread lines, and meet over cigars while the common people were deprived even of the benefit of union representation, as all unions were turned into agents of the state.
No, you just want me to defend the Russian fascist kleptocracy and I'm not interested in it. Both fascism and communism are examples of oppression of the people. The Russian kleptocracy being even worse than the Soviet Empire was, in terms of economic outcomes of their people, is largely because the Russians don't have imperial subjects to exploit any more, outside their reduced borders, and because they're even less competent than the Soviets were. Both governments are/were trash, and anyone supporting either government is a scumbag.
Why would I want you to defend a piece of shit like Putin? I responded to your completely vibes-based comment about how the poor were so oppressed by the party with solid data to show that the Soviet Union had the most dramatic inversion of wealth inequality of any country in history.
As a response, you first want to ignore it and pivot to comparing the wealth of a union that took over an underdeveloped feudal backwater and lived under constant siege to the most wealthy country in history. Then, when called on that, you want to instead pivot to talking about Putin.
Capitalism worked under Eastern aggression, Communist economic sanctions, Communist covert actions, and a propaganda apparatus far more widespread than anything from the West.
It worked better than Communism because it works better than Communism. LMFAO
Right, the countries that invaded the USSR in its nascent years, constantly tried to assassinate leaders of progressive movements, couped most countries on Earth.
The projection lol
As that joke goes, a CIA and KGB officer meet at a bar. The CIA officer says to the KGB officer "You've got a good propaganda machine!", the KGB officer replies "Well, yours is unbeatable."
The CIA agent responds with "What propaganda? In the West we don't have propaganda."
Keep crying, tankie
Your shitty dictatorships failed because they were orders of magnitude more corrupt and dysfunctional than capitalism, and even more oppressive towards the general public.
Dictatorship is when bad country, democratic is when good western country
Because the Tsar and the Chinese warlords and Battista and Imperial Japanese occupation where pillars of democracy before those countries' revolutions. Also like 90% of Chinese citizens are happy with their government, vs a sad 20% of Americans.
Odd how people in a country where it's illegal to not be happy with the government report being happy with the government
Westerners hate their government so much that they cannot see beyond their own parochial worldview to even entertain the idea that some people would feel generally supportive of their government.
Those sneaky Orientals must be lying in order to trick is good, honest, non-perfidious enlightened westerners again.
Easterners who hate their government disappear or learn to hide it. Westerners get to piss and moan.
Ah yes, that's very true. You must be something a field anthropologist.
People in the East wouldn't ever protest and get away with it.
Meanwhile, westerners who hate their government would never be brought up on charges for the crime of "posessing books, black clothes, fabric, and paint" and then get disappeared into solitary confinement for exercising their constitutional rights.
That's a very valid contribution that you made to the discussion. Nice work.
If it's illegal then why didn't the last 10ish% also say they approve?
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Personal bravery? Idk.
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Let's try a different tack then - if it's illegal to disapprove of the government and you'll be locked up for it, and 10% of the population voice disapproval, why are only 0.12% of the population imprisoned? Do you actually understand the logistical undertaking disappearing or imprisoning over 140 million people would be? Do you not think it's more likely that it's just not illegal to disapprove, and that they really do generally approve of their government?
I believe in your ability to figure it out. Hint: it's the same reason Putin has consistently high approvals in surveys
The 90% figure comes from the Harvard Kennedy School ASH Centre for Democratic Governance and Innovation. There is no fucking possible way you are suggesting that Harvard University is distributing CPC propaganda.
Mm hmmm
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So are you saying Putin is a not shitty dictator? He's definitely not a communist and he's still in charge of Russia.
Nah he's a fascist. Same corruption as communism, different flavor.
Oh? please explain
They're both auth dictator scumbags who steal from and oppress the people. Dictators are dictators. Left or right, the only difference is exactly who they want to kill. The Soviets oppressed and occupied Eastern Europe and Putin wants nothing more than to do the same.
Thankfully, Putin is less capable than Stalin, so Russian fascist rule isn't as terrible as Soviet communist rule.
So all those price controls under the soviet Union were just them oppressing their citizens?
The plenty of the Communist bourgeois and the deprivation of the common people certainly were. The Party members could drive Mercedes if they wanted while the regular people could only dream about a Lada, could enjoy fancy French wines while the common people wait in bread lines, and meet over cigars while the common people were deprived even of the benefit of union representation, as all unions were turned into agents of the state.
Yeah real repression of the poor here. This is exactly what you expect to see when the poor is repressed.
Yes. Fascism is also bad. I know, it's amazing. Why don't you compare the average income of the Soviet working class and the American one, eh?
So now that you've seen data you just want to change the subject lol
I can show you that data if you want but you're just going to ignore that too aren't you?
No, you just want me to defend the Russian fascist kleptocracy and I'm not interested in it. Both fascism and communism are examples of oppression of the people. The Russian kleptocracy being even worse than the Soviet Empire was, in terms of economic outcomes of their people, is largely because the Russians don't have imperial subjects to exploit any more, outside their reduced borders, and because they're even less competent than the Soviets were. Both governments are/were trash, and anyone supporting either government is a scumbag.
Why would I want you to defend a piece of shit like Putin? I responded to your completely vibes-based comment about how the poor were so oppressed by the party with solid data to show that the Soviet Union had the most dramatic inversion of wealth inequality of any country in history.
As a response, you first want to ignore it and pivot to comparing the wealth of a union that took over an underdeveloped feudal backwater and lived under constant siege to the most wealthy country in history. Then, when called on that, you want to instead pivot to talking about Putin.
Get it together friend.
Yes, when empires collapse, there's often a depression. Even in their colonies.
There's no way you're this dense this must be a bit
There's the civility of the tankie
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Whats a Tankie? Anyone who reads Thomas Piketty?
Apologists for communist dictatorships.
Communist apologism is when you present data from a well-respected neoclassical economist
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Sounds like tankie talk to me
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It's the worst economic system except for anything else we have tried.
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