That's probably the best case for the we-can-push-him-left crowd, I guess? "You see, you need us!" or whatever. After the massive unrest dies down at least.
That's basically just Democrat propaganda. It has never happened. It never will happen. Biden is an imperialist piece of shit of the first order and also he doesn't give a fuck about giving Amerikkkan's welfare off the backs of the global south because he knows those profits belong to the bourgeoisie.
Obama ran on an explicit change platform then did nothing of consequence except trying to compromise with the Republicans at every turn. The only reason he wasn't able to somewhat cut the social safety net is because the tea party people got in and were so extreme (and racist towards him) in their demands that they couldn't conceive of compromising with him to cut things some instead of all. Biden was to his right and picked to reassured elements who thought Obama's rhetoric was too dangerous sounding.
I mean this guy explicitly said not to vote for him if you want x because he doesn't care about what you want, he's never given a fuck, he has his lifelong politics and anything he says to the contrary is just a cheap politicking lie meant to shore up his left flank. Democrats do not exist to serve you. They are not your party. You cannot "push them left" because if Joe wins the message they take is that it takes a moderate Republican to beat a radical one (Trump). Do not argue with me on this point. Your logic is wasted. It is not me you have to convince it is people whose interests rest in that being the conclusion who are going to make that the conclusion the reality. Even if they did not get that message they do not exist to serve the proletariat, they exist to create a buffer to prevent real revolutionary thinking and politics from rising by offering the same decades old worn lie that you can get the same things or close enough by voting and through gradual incrementalism. This despite the fact that worker's rights have been systemically stripped away by both parties aggressively since the fall of the USSR.
One more point I like to make. Biden is only running for one term, you say you won't vote for him next time? "Listen here Jack, I don't give a fuck" licks ice cream. Next time you'll have Kopmala running against Pete "Rat Mode" Buttigieg plus maybe Alexandria "Reading theory is elitist" Ocasio-Cortez but it really doesn't matter. So people who claim they can pressure him are delusional or witting Democratic party propagandists.
Oh man, I'm sorry you wasted so much time on my badly worded off-hand comment haha. I'm not American. I don't think Democrats will move further left. I agree with you that American imperialism will always win out. The Democrats helped overthrow the government in my home country by funding Nazis lmao. I just think it's an interesting scenario for the we-can-push-him-left crowd (of which I am not part of). I suppose against all logic and reason they could succeed, or (what would actually happen) is that they would see that they can't succeed and hopefully this will cause some of them to finally abandon the idea once and for all.
Do not argue with me on this point. Your logic is wasted.
Feel free. I can't tell who's an actual liberal who believes this stuff and who's I don't even know anymore. But anyways I figure people must hold the irrational position they can push Biden left in some number even here. They must be disabused of this strain of liberalism.
That's probably the best case for the we-can-push-him-left crowd, I guess? "You see, you need us!" or whatever. After the massive unrest dies down at least.
That's basically just Democrat propaganda. It has never happened. It never will happen. Biden is an imperialist piece of shit of the first order and also he doesn't give a fuck about giving Amerikkkan's welfare off the backs of the global south because he knows those profits belong to the bourgeoisie.
Obama ran on an explicit change platform then did nothing of consequence except trying to compromise with the Republicans at every turn. The only reason he wasn't able to somewhat cut the social safety net is because the tea party people got in and were so extreme (and racist towards him) in their demands that they couldn't conceive of compromising with him to cut things some instead of all. Biden was to his right and picked to reassured elements who thought Obama's rhetoric was too dangerous sounding.
I mean this guy explicitly said not to vote for him if you want x because he doesn't care about what you want, he's never given a fuck, he has his lifelong politics and anything he says to the contrary is just a cheap politicking lie meant to shore up his left flank. Democrats do not exist to serve you. They are not your party. You cannot "push them left" because if Joe wins the message they take is that it takes a moderate Republican to beat a radical one (Trump). Do not argue with me on this point. Your logic is wasted. It is not me you have to convince it is people whose interests rest in that being the conclusion who are going to make that the conclusion the reality. Even if they did not get that message they do not exist to serve the proletariat, they exist to create a buffer to prevent real revolutionary thinking and politics from rising by offering the same decades old worn lie that you can get the same things or close enough by voting and through gradual incrementalism. This despite the fact that worker's rights have been systemically stripped away by both parties aggressively since the fall of the USSR.
One more point I like to make. Biden is only running for one term, you say you won't vote for him next time? "Listen here Jack, I don't give a fuck" licks ice cream. Next time you'll have Kopmala running against Pete "Rat Mode" Buttigieg plus maybe Alexandria "Reading theory is elitist" Ocasio-Cortez but it really doesn't matter. So people who claim they can pressure him are delusional or witting Democratic party propagandists.
Oh man, I'm sorry you wasted so much time on my badly worded off-hand comment haha. I'm not American. I don't think Democrats will move further left. I agree with you that American imperialism will always win out. The Democrats helped overthrow the government in my home country by funding Nazis lmao. I just think it's an interesting scenario for the we-can-push-him-left crowd (of which I am not part of). I suppose against all logic and reason they could succeed, or (what would actually happen) is that they would see that they can't succeed and hopefully this will cause some of them to finally abandon the idea once and for all.
lmao dude
Yep.
Is this copypasta?
Feel free. I can't tell who's an actual liberal who believes this stuff and who's I don't even know anymore. But anyways I figure people must hold the irrational position they can push Biden left in some number even here. They must be disabused of this strain of liberalism.