Probably, yeah, depending how the dying empire lashes out. I'm a big advocate for the very literal end of the US for exactly that reason and now is the perfect time for it to happen, with China absolutely whooping ass on the world stage. But there are still hundreds of millions of workers in this awful country who are going to suffer and that's some shit.
I do agree, though, and ultimately I've been feeling globally optimistic lately due to the US's decline and China's rise. I just wish it didn't mean such dark times for my community.
True that. Fingers crossed this looks more like the dissolution of the USSR than actual Balkanization, but either way the sooner US is gone (or completely irrelevant, which I think is more likely) the better.
Well I mean in terms of how the country falls apart (peacefully and bureaucratically instead of a huge civil war), not what happens afterwards. The USSR was good and the post-Soviet states are bad; the US is bad, but potentially some of the post-US states could be goodish (relatively).
im not going to sit here and shit on china but i will tell you that there is basically no path to citizenship there and that means you will not be able to do a TON of shit, like you will be extremely hamstrung trying to live there as a non-citizen full-on expat
and i know i know you can link me to their webpages on how to become a citizen and so on but trust me, they aint going to approve little people like us. basically nobody becomes a citizen of china without some kind of very special circumstance (be super rich)
There will be suffering if it does, and suffering if it doesn't, and anyone who tries to stumble through which one is worse with some half-assed analysis and arrives at a conclusion with certainty is not someone whose thoughts I care about.
Prolonging suffering is worse than the acts required to end it. There is a good Mark Twain quote in regards to this (referencing the French revolution):
“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”
I look forward to the day when regime changes in the nations of Alabama and Mississippi are being sponsored by the United Latin American Socialist Republic.
holy fuck lmao. what is even happening
If I remember correctly, this is the part where we send in CIA-backed fash to shoot all of the senators and run the president out of the country
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Biden's probably gonna win but, uhhhhhhhhhhh
it's the ideal scenario for right wing maniacs to go all out, if they're ever gonna do it they will do it now
if we are being honest the descent into chaos and balkanization of the usa would be a huge boon for the rest of the world
Probably, yeah, depending how the dying empire lashes out. I'm a big advocate for the very literal end of the US for exactly that reason and now is the perfect time for it to happen, with China absolutely whooping ass on the world stage. But there are still hundreds of millions of workers in this awful country who are going to suffer and that's some shit.
I do agree, though, and ultimately I've been feeling globally optimistic lately due to the US's decline and China's rise. I just wish it didn't mean such dark times for my community.
all of us in america are going to suffer if it continues on anyways so its objectively better to have the bandage ripped off at this point
True that. Fingers crossed this looks more like the dissolution of the USSR than actual Balkanization, but either way the sooner US is gone (or completely irrelevant, which I think is more likely) the better.
when the ussr collapsed 10 million died due to the collapse of services as they were privatized
Well I mean in terms of how the country falls apart (peacefully and bureaucratically instead of a huge civil war), not what happens afterwards. The USSR was good and the post-Soviet states are bad; the US is bad, but potentially some of the post-US states could be goodish (relatively).
i respect the optimism
a better world is possible
Everyone should just move to China tbh
I don't think they need a lot of people with my skill set lol
What do you do? I'm a trained ESL teacher so I could go real easy but I got a wife and cats.
im not going to sit here and shit on china but i will tell you that there is basically no path to citizenship there and that means you will not be able to do a TON of shit, like you will be extremely hamstrung trying to live there as a non-citizen full-on expat
and i know i know you can link me to their webpages on how to become a citizen and so on but trust me, they aint going to approve little people like us. basically nobody becomes a citizen of china without some kind of very special circumstance (be super rich)
In what way would a non-citizen be hamstrung?
Love to rationalize away concerns about catastrophic suffering using a cliche.
you want me to go into a huge diatribe about all the suffering in america if it DOESNT dissolve because, buddy, i fucking will
There will be suffering if it does, and suffering if it doesn't, and anyone who tries to stumble through which one is worse with some half-assed analysis and arrives at a conclusion with certainty is not someone whose thoughts I care about.
Prolonging suffering is worse than the acts required to end it. There is a good Mark Twain quote in regards to this (referencing the French revolution):
“THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.”
I look forward to the day when regime changes in the nations of Alabama and Mississippi are being sponsored by the United Latin American Socialist Republic.
we can be friends :)
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