I wonder if anyone is unironically supportive of littering or thinks that murder should be legal. Or they're unironically an anarcho monarchist or something. pee

  • rozako [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I'll also add the fact that most European leftists will still be incredibly racist to Romani people. Makes no damn sense, but many of them are like that

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      I think a lot of the problem in many European countries is the lack of public space, this leads to nimby-ism very quickly. There are not many official sites for travelers in the UK so they will sometimes go into public parks and set up there, as there's not many of these available the local population resent that the place where they walk their dog or take their kids etc has been blocked. The few travelers sites I've been to/seen the after effects of have been left in a bad state with litter and worse which doesn't help.

      Obviously there is a lot of general ingrained racism as well but there are some practical reasons that people don't like having travelers in their communities.

      Looking at it from a leftist stance Romani culture is also very old fashioned and at odds with the lefts belief in women's rights and childcare standards. People are overcritical of all Romani people but that doesn't mean there aren't many legitimate problems with the culture.

      • rozako [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        "but there are some practical reasons that people don’t like having travelers in their communities." Would you say then that American conservatives are right when saying immigrants steal their jobs, so they shouldn't be allowed in? Or that having Black people in a neighbourhood raises crime? This stance is no different than saying something like that.

        Also all cultures have issues in them. A lot of people of colour or working class people are homophobic/transphobic/seixst/etc. No culture is perfect. Just because a group may be sexist or have "childcare issues" (I would heavily fight against this idea as an actual gypsy) doesn't mean leftists should be allowed to be racist or find them "at odds" with leftism.