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  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Oh, see, I thought the parasite part came from settler-colonizers murdering people and stealing large swaths of land that their descendents hoard and monopolize, taking in everyone's money and leaving them with no alternative but homelessness. But I guess the guy who owns 5% of a house getting a roommate to split the payment he has to send to the other guy is the real problem.

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        It literally doesn't matter what sort of arrangement you get into when the rich control so much of the housing market. If you have less than, like, $100k to your name then you could hardly exploit someone if you tried. You don't move up in class just because you took out a loan.

        Like, in your worldview, do you think that renting is exploitative, but that buying is not? Do you think the millions of people who could get a loan and buy a house but instead choose to rent are just dumb and don't have valid reasons for preferring that arrangement? Do you think the system that's set up to exploit you left this big gap where you can just not get exploited if you choose door number one instead of door number two? I don't understand this worldview at all. They've got you every way you turn. As I explained in my first post on the topic, buying in practice is really just another form of renting with a different set of responsibilities, and with the bank as your landlord.

        And yeah like I presented a couple real life possibilities I've considered like moving with my roommates and having one of us deal with the down payment and the debt and all that so the rest of us can just rent and not have to worry about it, or a friend offering to let me move in in exchange for free labor, and you didn't have any kind of response to that except retreating into memeland and posting Mao. Which reminds me, have you gone outside, once, like I asked?

        Edit: The downbear says no.

        • Ovaryactor [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Like, in your worldview, mortgage is the same as rent. Lib shit. I agree that we need to figure out alternatives to living situations like you mention, but I’d rather people stop bs’ing themselves with the drawn out arguments in an attempt to separate the ends from the means.

          • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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            Mortgage is essentially the same as rent. You've got a couple differences, like, you have more autonomy over the property, you are responsible for fixing your own stuff when it breaks, it requires a down payment and you can't walk away from the monthly payments without finding someone to buy the house, and if you stick with it for a very long time, eventually you can actually own it. I don't see how those differences change anything fundamental, essentially, they own it because their ancestors stole it or bought it from someone who stole it, and you need it to survive, so you gotta pay them. They're just different payment plans, when it comes down to it. Would you rather pay for Spotify or buy music? It's a matter of preference.

            And the solution is not for proles to find some fancy new arrangement that makes to most of the scraps we're left with, the solution is redistribute what they stole.