That comment kicked off something in my brain that's been nagging at me since these videos first started dropping. The series is now wildly popular on YouTube, with some videos garnering over two million views.

The issues that I have with it are manifold because it makes claims that it absolutely cannot back up about the psychology, motivations, and actions of the alt-right but the reason why I particularly dislike it is because it casts such a broad net in its definition of "the alt-right" that it can include anyone from the most ardent antifascist activist to the middle of the road mom and pop who holds some lukewarm bigoted opinions due to their upbringing and/or watching too much Fox News all the way to the circa-fascists who align with white nationalist groups etc. but who don't directly identify with overt fascism.

The attitudes and patterns of behaviour described in the video series are likewise just as broad to the point of being functionally useless.

You can literally look to what the Playbook videos describe as alt-right behaviours and the majority of them can be seen across the political spectrum, given the right conditions and a large enough sample size.

What this means, in effect, is that it relies upon assumptions and the biases of the target audience to create their own understanding of what the alt-right looks like without any real historical or theoretical underpinning, and of course there's no materialist analysis of the alt-right either (which is also why I take issue with Umberto Eco's work on fascism - it's completely lacking in a materialist basis in favour of cultural and psychological critique which is loose enough that you can apply it far beyond the scope of real fascism.)

The upshot of this is that, when the lessons from the Playbook are applied, virtually everyone outside of your political in-group can be miscast as being part of the alt-right or that they are somehow taking their cues from the alt-right.

The issue then is that, by doing so, you have expanded your own definition of the alt-right to include so many groups that the term becomes functionally useless, you risk alienating people who you disagree with, and the aggregate effect will eventually be that the alt-right becomes a term that no longer signifies anything meaningful but it becomes a label that gets thrown around haphazardly based on "vibes".

If you happen to watch the playlist, or at least the introduction video and a couple of the most popular videos, try using summarising what the Playbook describes as the definition or the behaviours of the alt-right in a way that actually meets the criteria of the alt-right to reasonable exclusion of other groups. It's really hard to do this while sticking to the content without drawing upon other ideas in order to flesh out the description. When the series first came out I personally was keen on hearing more because I wanted to see where it would go but I quickly lost any hope in it because every episode was just vapid and the takeaway lessons from it were downright sloppy and I gave up on it.

It's just really disappointing that a channel which apparently has so much reach that could do so much good instead just reaffirmed people's existing biases and failed to grasp what the alt-right really is or how it functions because it ends up working in the same way as a limited hangout - there's enough in there that is right so as to be compelling but it's so clouded and murky as to be borderline disinfo in effect.

/rant

  • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
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    10 months ago

    I was surprised to see that these videos were still getting made. I remember back in the breadtube boom checking them out, and stopped watching when they seemed real lib (in that the only politics that the video believed to exist were liberals, mainstream conservatives and alt-righters.)

    Nowadays, it seems silly to even talk about the alt-right. Richard Spencer became a NAFO dork and the Proud Boys were revealed to be basically an FBI op based on how much of the leadership were informants. The extreme right is firmly embedded in the GOP, and while you still got your QAnon boomers, gropyers/zoomer falangists, patriot front, and GOP interns who just happen to be nazis, it doesn't make a lot of sense to refer to the alt-right as a fringe group as opposed to acknowledging the general half-born fascism that permeates the American right.

    • blight [any]
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      10 months ago

      Yes, but I don't think the proud boys being an FBI op makes it any less fascist

      • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
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        10 months ago

        What it means is that the Proud Boys weren't a nuclei of a proto-fascist movement going from the online fringes to the physical world, but just another FBI honeypot. Obviously, they were still a problem, but it recontexualizes the true enemy, which is the state in general and FBI's continuing COINTELPRO-like programs more specifically.

    • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]
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      10 months ago

      they did the usual: got enough patreon subscrubers to scrape by and then their output plummeted. cant say I blame them even but it did happen. and they've clung onto the alt right playbook series since it was popular. that's it. they dont seem to have grown politically since the early days. still just a liberal. maybe a radlib on a good day

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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    10 months ago

    That Breadtube series is still stuck in pre-2020 politics when the alt-right and Sanders were still relevant. The alt-right technically doesn't even exist anymore. Are Marjorie Green and DeSantis alt-right figures? Despite being Christofascists, it doesn't make sense to call they that because they aren't marginalized figures but GOP politicians. Even Qanon is waning. Outside of some true believers, most people have moved on from Qanon. Most reaction these days are firmly rooted with the GOP. They don't need to be alt anything anymore when some Floridan governor is saying what they're thinking.

    It also shows the impotence of these videos. You make all these videos only for the GOP to adopt alt-right politics anyways, mainstreaming their politics to the point where the videos are no longer accurate anymore. Fascists barely even need to use dogwhistles in 2023.

    • ReadFanon [any, any]
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      10 months ago

      Yeah, and it's become this amorphous blob of circa-fascist beliefs all overlapping and blending into one another.

      There's this Venn diagram of anti-vaxxers, flat earthers, Qanon holdouts, Pizza-gaters, adrenochrome truthers, deep state believers (the bad kind not the Aaron Good kind), the Great Replacement cohort... and so many other interrelated things.

      Fascists barely even need to use dogwhistles in 2023.

      What's really struck me is how dogwhistles have been mainstreamed in politicians speaking.

      We've gone from Lee Atwater's Southern Strategy era of oblique references and talking about abstract concepts to push far right policies and now we've shifted to thinly-veiled dogwhistles from politicians and, at least online, people not even using dogwhistles but often saying the quiet part out loud.

      I see liberals referring to black people as "animals" and using references to "the jungle" and shit but I am increasingly seeing people on the right just straight up saying "I removed nuffin" or "we waz kangz" etc. openly in public forums and, while those are still dogwhistles in a technical sense since they aren't dropping the N-bomb, they aren't really dogwhistles in effect because there's not even the barest attempt at disguising the meaning and everyone on any side of politics who is somewhat clued-in knows exactly what is being said.

      This shit legitimately scares me because we really are living like it's the 20s all over again and, once again, the liberals are running defence for the rising tide of fascism. I think one of the scariest things to do right now is to read up on the Weimar Republic because goddamn if there aren't an uncomfortable amount of parallels going on in the present moment.

    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      10 months ago

      Yeah it's really more of a rhetorical analysis of common arguing tactics, which has its place. It's just sad to watch some actually decent observations about rhetoric go the way of 'gaslighting' where it gets adopted into the lexicon as a thought terminating cliche.

    • Wheaties [comrade/them]
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      10 months ago

      Yep, excellent breakdown of how online dialog tends to pool into cul-de-sacs of non-communication. It is not a good breakdown of the motives, or at least far far from comprehensive.

    • ReadFanon [any, any]
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      10 months ago

      Erm, excuse me but I think you'll find that you just committed the genetic fallacy, my good sir.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    10 months ago

    the stance of those videos is so funny. like there definitely is such a thing as liberal antifascism, and it presents as this sort of dim confusion that the political institutions that you have faith in seem totally unequipped or uninterested in seriously opposing the far right. He's never talking about what "the left" needs to do, it's always "progressives," and he never mentions any political problems that aren't immediately related to fascism.

  • ToxicDivinity [comrade/them]
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    10 months ago

    It's a pretty well meaning series and I think it makes some good points about the real alt-right(or what used to be, I'm taking about online nazis basically)

    Reactionaries will always co-opt language, doesn't mean we should stop talking