• Not_irony [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    What's the over under here on Trump pulling this shit off? Betting markets have Trump at like 5-10% as "Next President" and climbing, which seems about right. Trump is a fool and I can't imagine capital fighting for him, but also the Dems are also completely incompetent/don't care.

    • WannabeRoach [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I think the Dems and general ruling class establishment would deeply care if the election was outright stolen. This would be a world destabilizing event. If the Trump administration used their own party flunkies in multiple different states as well as their court appointees to actually throw votes that have already been counted into the trash it would be such a blindingly obvious coup that not only would a large segment of America sincerely and accurately feel like they were living under a dictatorship, but all of America's key allies would see this and understand it as well. Biden has openly signalled many times that it is a priority of his to return the global liberal order back to what it was just 4 years ago, with America as the responsible leader and Europe, the anglosphere and America's other key tinpot allies treated like respected stakeholders. But Trump has been mucking up that entire game, considering it "unfair" to America because of America's burden of being the golden scaled dragon on top of a pile of bones.

      If Trump blatantly steals the election it will ensure that America's domestic political situation will be totally unpredictable for the forseeable future, seeing as one of the two major political parties is willing to torch the bourgeois truce of the Constitutional Republic in order to anoint a senile game show host, and as a consequence America's aforementioned key allies will take moves to distance themselves from America's power in order to not be at the whims of a capricious loony house. The globe will be plunged into the great power politics that has been foretold as inevitable by many anxious observers for years, and all the great powers will have their nukes pointed at every other great power.

      Francis Fukuyama's book was the dream of the bourgeoisie, it was their wishful thinking. They want an eternity of vacationing in Greece, golfing, gifting their children villas in New Zealand and having everybody they know eagerly suck their dick. They don't want to deal with the complexity of politics, they want politics to be made up bullshit on TV that doesn't do anything substantial but give them some more tax breaks sometimes. The US's rules of play just falling apart into a clown show is so obviously undesirable for them that their power to stop it would either have to be in shambles, or they'd have to be incredibly stupid. If it happens, I think the only way to understand it would be that the political state actually overpowered the bourgeois interests. All of the Republican flunkies that have been praising Trump would have to actually have decided to take the state machinery they were temporarily granted by all the bourgeois interests that really underwrite state power and bludgeoned them over the head with it because they think Trump will knight them and induct them into the new American aristocracy backed by the military that has decided Trump is the guy they'll die for. If it happens I'm gonna go live in Mexico, at least you know what is going on in that country.

      • Not_irony [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        A solid analysis. I don't think it contradicts anything I said. Trump might be dumb enough to nuke it all, and his followers dumb enough to follow him, and the Dems/Capital incompetent enough to fail to stop him without the nuke going off (they already failed in 2016, and only barely managed to stop him in 2020).