People in the west should stop this madness ...hek whom am I kidding ,they won't .
Worth noting that this was a planned deployment and not in response to anything currently happening.
The Sarmat missile was being developed for a while now, and this is when they were scheduled to be deployed. Their deployment isn't a reaction to anything immediate happening with the war in Ukraine or the conflict between the west and Russia. The tweet appears to make it look like this is Russia is escalating in the context of the current proxy war.
but then we don't have much treaties left to prevent a nuke war. I mean this is important what is happening in Ukraine and in Russia. There is a fire today in St.Petersburg , mostly like a drone attack. This can escalate quickly into something else.
Yeah, the fact that US decided to dismantle all the treaties with Russia is very concerning. In fact, this is one of the main causes for the war in Ukraine since Russia was very concerned about NATO being able to put nukes in Ukraine that could reach Moscow under 10 minutes. The danger of a nuclear holocaust has never been higher than it is now. There is an absolutely insane administration running the US and there's a communication breakdown the like of which we haven't seen even during the height of the cold war. A catastrophic miscalculation by either side is a very real possibility.
If the world gets destroyed because of some European war, I hope that God is real because he's gonna have to explain to me in the afterlife why didn't he stop Yakub when he had the chance.
It's the legendary creator of the "white race" according to the Nation of Islam, who did it through selective breeding and manipulation to create the most wicked and hateful people. It's mostly used as a meme to dunk on crackers.
Tfw when someone on lemmygrad links to Wikipedia instead of prolewiki...
In my defence, I didn't notice the Yakub page on the ProleWiki. That is indeed a very large head.
A figure in presudoscientific mythology of the "Nation of Islam" organisation. Which, despite the name, has little if anything at all to do with actual Islam.
According to said mythology, white people were created artificially by a man named Yakub. For reasons. And this is why white people are inherently evil and have stolen everything ever from the black people.
Some comrades here like to mention Yakub in conversations about European or USian stupidity. For reasons.
Hey I know what we should do. We should keep poking the bear! That'll solve it!
That panda hasn't been sleeping. It's been hitting the gym every day bulking up. It's just got better priorities right now.
Every time it lifts somebody out of poverty, that panda does one pushup.
The result is one very strong panda.
yeah libs took over , most got deleted. Should have been there. It shows the real mainstream mentality of westerners
Yeah, they swarm like flies to shit when anything negative about the west is mentioned. Of course, these people are often the same "US is bad too BUT!" crowd as well.
"ok all the terribly bad things we did are not a good look, but better us than those gommies"
Which reeks terribly of "Your Honor, they were going to be assaulted anyway so I guess did them a favour"
That's basically what all the defenses of US imperialism always boil down to really. "Someone was going to invade that country, so it's not our fault we invaded them!"
Hexbear link to this post: https://hexbear.net/post/499968
Something something russia bad so if nuclear war we die morally superior
Two 3-month-old accounts that were giving one-liners like "Let Russia has what it wants, then we'll have peace in our time", or "Ukraine can do whatever it wants", or "Russia won't launch its nukes because the West has nukes, so pushing them is OK". Last I checked they were crying whataboutism and trying to semantics troll.
Ah, so the two standard bits of lib discourse, comparing everything they don't like to the nazis and then behaving like the nazis themselves. Gotcha.
I live in the second largest port city in Europe at about 40km from the EU and NATO HQs. If shit hits the fan, I probably will be dead before I noticed.
Dying instantly is probably the better outcome tbf. Trying to survive in a post nuclear Earth would be hell.
If only the west would just let Russia take what it wants, there would be peace in our time.
Yes... but that isn't going to happen. We live in reality.
So then you agree with my original statement, what are we even debating?
Nothing, since that was my first comment. I just like pointing out to people that Russia just up and leaving... isn't a thing. Probably the only thing that works now is negotiations.
What about what the people in the Donbas want? What about what all the civilians caught up in this want? You don't give a fuck about them though this is a game to you.
So you don't give a fuck about anyone's self determination you just blindly follow bourgeois nationalism, got it.
That's not what "whataboutism" refers to, it was just the same two words.
Ok. I think there's a word for that... starts with n? ends with ions?
I'd like to negotiate the transfer of your home to me for free, or I start shooting.
The people of crimea and the donbas don't want to be ruled by Kiev. Why do you want to force an unwanted gov on them?
In that context, someone that says "shoot me, then" is a moron, whether the mugger is justified or not
yes , just like the US ...WTF bro ..like you westerners have kind of special virtue for overthrowing governments around the world.
DO YOU WANT NUKES TO KILL US ALL YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT
and buddy who made the "west" the police of the world ? Did India , China , BRICS , Latam countries call you to defend Ukraine ?
Why would those countries need to call for anything, it's Ukraine that got invaded, not them.
because most don't live in the "west" and "west" is not the world ? Who gave you westerners the authority to call the shots for Ukraine ? Why do you have to meddle in everything ?
The people in the Donbas asked for Russia to intervene, is their plight somehow less valid? If so why?
The Ukraine government handpicked and installed by coup by the US?
So you are OK with having another world war, this time with nuclear arsenals armed and ready to go?
Yes literally, that's all it would take.
A single shifted border, which you can in turn brag about since the Russkies wouldve taken more without a hard fight. What would you rather instead - keep fighting them indefinitely as more warheads roll out and the frontline barely moves? Keep giving stern warnings hinting at war? Get more NATO states involved?
Russia does not hold Kyiv. If a ceasefire is declared, they would hold the eastern territory they wanted all along, and the rest of Ukraine would be unobtainable anyway. You're scared of losing basically half an oblast which already costs millions of dollars and hundreds of deaths a year to hold onto, and has an active separatist movement which cannot and will not cooperate with the Ukrainian government. All Donbass will bring you is more violence and diplomatic headaches. Holding it at all costs will either bring nuclear war, world war, or at the very least worse separatism.
You insist on fighting until it's "yours" (your chosen team's in this sport) over the possibility of being spiritually "cucked" or something bc you made a minor compromise. Fuck that. That's the whole of human history in a nutshell, and you've just now started trying to cheat it using guided bombs and computers. You think you'll beat the turning of fate because the 21st century has to be "clean," which youve already made forfeit. You have no honor and none should be gifted to you. Go enlist so you have something in life to talk about.
It was nice knowing you all. We will all go together when we go.
Estonia instigating the end of the world with a petty drone harassment campaign is roughly what we deserve.
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Russian dictator: constantly makes nuclear threats
Tankies: Why would the west do this?
There're two things I would like to point here to show u how stupid u liberals are.
First: you guys are so concerned about being on the moral high ground that u just can't be pragmatic. You would easily start a nuclear war and feel good about it because the other side has a government u don't agree with.
Second: you guys point fingers to Russia but would be the first to agree with nuking Iraq or another country occupied by the US the moment any of them did as much as shot a couple of American civilians in American ground, let alone drone attacks...
Seriously these western liberals are out of their minds , they live in a parallel reality .
It really scares me that western propaganda is so powerful they are willing to let us all die as long as they feel they are on the "right" side....
its not just propaganda , its simply the arrogance with ignorance . Western libs feel good when US invades and destroys other governments , genocides the people but Russia can't talk about their own security issues . Its simply Putin this or Putin that. Putin has always higher popularity than these nutjobs who are ruling the west and Navalny is the not the opposition of Putin.
Luckily I was innoculated against it since my stepdad is Navajo but I can also understand how these people fall prey to it.
Putin is no more of a dictator than any other western head of state has ever been, they are all beholden to bourgeois material interests.
You people are so fuckin dense.
Dumb take. Putin holds far more power as an individual within his country than any western head of state does - they are tools of the capitalist class more than anything else. Yes, neither Putin nor Western leaders care about working class people, but that doesn’t make them identical.
Putin holds far more power as an individual within his country than any western head of state does
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
they are tools of the capitalist class more than anything else. Yes, neither Putin nor Western leaders care about working class people, but that doesn’t make them identical..
Yes it does lol. My dude you are so close...
Why? The Western political system is more resilient and powerful, but that means that the individual people who are part of that system (including the heads of state) have less power over that system they can exert by themselves.
Is the Western capitalist class more powerful? Yes. Are the political systems that function for their benefit more powerful? Also yes. But are the individuals who temporarily serve as heads of state more powerful within that system? Resoundingly no.
And yeah, the relationship between the Russian capital class and that of the Western capital class and the respective workers under their thumb is identical, but that doesn’t mean that the relationship they have with the political leaders is identical. In the West politicians are arguably more like well paid employees of the capitalists, while in Putin’s case there’s a more equal footing.
Does that make a difference to the people at the bottom? No. Does it make those situations identical? Also no.
Yeah fucking duh, but that wasn’t the point we were arguing, my guy.
Power within their own country, I meant, and it was abundantly clear. Also, I was talking about Western leaders in general, and even if your example is an argument against what I said it applies to only one country.
That’s not to defend the nuclear button or the US in general. But come on, my guy. We’re talking about the power they hold over the people and how they relate to the capital class, and the US’ dodgy nuclear weapons policies honestly have little to do with that.
None of that has to do with what I’m talking about. Fucking of course the US is the head of the bloc of capitalist countries and fucking of course they use the threat of violence to uphold their global position of power. But none of that relates to what I said in any meaningful way.
You could argue about how the US is bad until the cows come home and I’d most likely agree with all of it, but you’re talking past my basic point here.
My original comment was already about how Western leaders and Putin relate to both the capital and the working class. Your argument against this is one power that one Western leader holds that doesn’t even relate to class relations at all.
Like, I’m not denying the disproportionate power it gives the POTUS on the world stage, but that wasn’t what I was talking about in the first place.
You are missing a very important detail, which is that if they are tools of the capitalist class, it's the capitalists making decisions and the amount of "power" individual politicians within that apparatus have is essentially a mundane question of administrative structure. Putin the capitalist puppet is no more or less dangerous than a hypothetical quadrivium of capitalists puppets would if they collectively had his power.
Lmao, you think Russia makes more nuclear threats than America? Who has actually used them on civilian populations again?
You're sidestepping the issue. Why are you defending a clear escalation between nuclear powers? This is the sort of shit the post title is calling out.
We haven't invaded any neighbours. Russia could de-escalate completely by just fucking off
Lmao war is okay as long as you don't do it to your neighbors 🤡
I wish Russia would invade your house. Not your country, just your house specifically.
US stole Mexico's lands to begin with, when they will get their lands back from these righteous libs ?or is it get over with it ?
My man, you've invaded half the world. You have no moral high ground to be talking about "freedom and independence". You've done exactly the same shit all over Latin America, except you did it with coups and narcotrafficos instead of straight up invasion.
You are sidestepping the issue still. Why are you defending an action that could trigger a nuclear war?
Edit: Also are you claiming the US or NATO have not invaded anyone? Because holy shit.
I'm not, i am vehemently against the invasion of Ukraine actually.
So am I, in fact I was in disbelief when it happened because it seemed monumentally bad geopolitically, though I understand the plight of the people besieged in the Donbas region. As it stands now though you are literally defending a NATO country making a first strike against Russia (Ukraine is as we all know not a part of NATO)
you are literally defending a NATO country making a first strike against Russia (Ukraine is as we all know not a part of NATO)
No i am not. this entire thread is about Russia striking the UK with a Tidal wave caused by a Sarmat missile. I merely stopped by to remind the tankies that they are not the only ones with nuclear missiles and if they were to detonate a warhead anywhere near a NATO country they would quickly be glassed.
That fact alone should bring you to the conclusion that Putin will not launch one. he is many things but he is not suicidal
Who is "they" lmao you're an idiot. Are these tankies in the room with us? Do you think anyone on Lemmygrad is in the war room with Putin to tell him "hey bro that's not a great idea"?
Get some fucking perspective or fuck off back to reddit where your fellow liberals will always tell you you are right and the most intelligent person in the room -- alongside them, of course.
So you want NATO to strike Russia and inflict civilian casualties with impunity? I'm sorry I'm just trying to figure out what your actual stance is here.
Also I am not a "tankie" so you can stop throwing that admittedly meaningless term around.
My stance here is Putin cannot use Sarmat in the way channel one commenters and Russian propaganda enjoyers keep urging him to because he is not the only one with nukes
You think and wish Putin cannot use those, and u fucking moron liberals are willing to bet the whole planet's lives on this... Fuck u westerners, if u want to suicide your whole society take Russia, go to Mars and kill yourselves there.
My stance is that supporting direct NATO aggression toward them is genocidal.
It's not direct. We're providing arms to an ally who are then using those arms to defend themselves against an invading hostile nation
I can't make this shit up, this dweeb right above me sent me 6 DMs, one for every comment of his I replied to, saying "Hi you're receiving this message because I was banned from this community"
Please stop harassing me through DMs. Not my fault you were banned, not my problem.
Now you get to be banned from lemmygrad as a whole for harassing people.
keep urging him to
None of us are saying that he should launch nukes, we openly dread the idea, we just have nothing we could do to stop him.
and you know Putin and his government officials and his people just by looking through your home windows ?
You have invaded Iraq, Afghanistan , Libya and Yugoslavia without any hesitation , funded Neo Nazis in Ukraine , funded ISIS in Syria and are occupying oil rich parts of Syria, thats rich coming from westerners to accuse Russia for invading something . Lol
Russia has its own share of meddling in the middle east and africa
- Soviet union during the Iran-Iraq war
- Soviet-Afghan War
- Russia via Wagner has been all over Africa up until and including the present day
- Stalin literally tried numerous times to assassinate Yugoslavian polititians
Seriously, if you're going to point the finger at least make sure it can't be pointed back at you.
And i said "Invade neighbours" not "invade". Stop putting words in my mouth
You should probably listen to the most recent season of Blowback wrt the soviet-Afghan war.
I'll even give you all the episodes for free cuz I am a dirty commie.
im laughing everytime the soviets funded someone it was the native population fighting oppressors and the US was always funding colonizers
I'm pretty sure most of the United States was not part of the United States at one time, and there were other people living there at the time... I wonder what happened to them?
Well, actually...
Just because you're not the invaders this time (what's arguable) it doesn't make you morally better than anyone
lol , Hitler said the same thing bro. You want to be that , you will get that too.
The funny thing about nuclear warheads is that you don't have to be terribly accurate with them.
I hope that the west burn. I just feel sorry for the big amount of good people that will die in the process.
