We're as atomized and alienated as ever, but now we also can't afford to buy a house or raise kids. Libs will celebrate this.

  • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    It’s almost impossible to make a homeowner class conscious though.

    At the same time, they need to be taught that it is BAD.

    Because UncutRichardJewells is not doing a very good job of presenting their argument. I see, understand, and tentatively agree with a few points, but I had to go through the whole thread a second time to get there.

    • CenkUygurCamp [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, first they start of by saying "This [deterioration of conditions] should be celebrated", with the implication that now people can become proletarians. Only then to later concede that individuals having a decent life is still good but the current form of home ownership does impede class consciousness (which is correct). That, the hostile tone and remarks plus only starting to explain their ideas bit by bit after being pressed by repliers multiple times, make this a horrible way of arguing the right position. Like, this isn't twitter; you can type long comments and expect good faith interpretations. No need for this.

      Think of NIMBYs, YIMBYs and the general scaremongering about 'property values' to create opposition to decent policy. Being a homeowner in these general conditions will put you in the camp of small business tyrants if you aren't convinced that social democracy is good at the very least.