• Fakename_Bill [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Say it with me: La - teen - ekkhhhs.

    Just like how they totally pronounce words in Spanish.

    • x8vmte4nhf7joq7p [any]
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      4 years ago

      I'm totally sympathetic to wanting to challenge the grammatical gender of Spanish--it's fucking dumb that tables are feminine and sinks are masculine, and that a group of 100 people with a single man is also masculine. As far as I'm concerned, all languages should be like Chinese or Japanese where there's no damn gender at all unless you explicitly state it.

      But the thing is, if you want people to adopt your changes, why not work within the phonotactic constraints of the language? There are already a bunch of adjectives in Spanish that don't end in o/a and don't inflect on gender (grande, fuerte, excelente, etc.), so why not just model those? Perhaps even more relevant, the adjective and demonym for "German" is alemán, and the masculine plural already has a neuter feel (alemanes). So why not just extend latín (Latin, as in the language) to cover the sense "Latino" and have latines be the plural? I'm not the first one to think of this, of course--people are already using latine(s)--but it's mystifying to me that Latinx has gotten so much traction in comparison. Maybe it's just a US-centric media furor thing and latines is more common but doesn't get press--I'd love to see some info about this.

      If someone wants me to call them Latinx, I'm happy to do it. As an English speaker, it's really not an issue. But I just don't see how you're going to get Spanish speakers to adopt it when it doesn't fit into the constraints of their language. It'd be like a Russian saying that we should use vsplesk as a gender neutral pronoun in English...might work for them, but good luck getting people to say it. And personally, while I don't have an issue with calling myself Latino (easy for me to say as a cis guy, already being the grammatical default), I don't see me ever calling myself Latinx in English or Spanish, but I wouldn't mind switching to Latine (or just "Latin" in English, which is already in common use).

      • Fakename_Bill [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Exactly this ^

        The letter X and its consequences have been a disaster for changing deeply-ingrained gendered language.

      • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        it’s fucking dumb that tables are feminine and sinks are masculine

        Women be using tables and men be using sinks. Obviously