John Bolton was one of the dumbest people in government that I’ve had the “pleasure” to work with. A sullen, dull and quiet guy, he added nothing to National Security except, “Gee, let’s go to war.” Also, illegally released much Classified Information. A real dope!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 15, 2020
No you're comparing this. I'm saying he's an imperialist like the rest of them. Also my article debunks that 13,000 number since it states 13k civilians died from US campaign in Syria and Iraq alone under Trump. It doesn't even include the civilians that died in Yemen.
And his whole presidency was just 1 term, what are you talking about
Stop being an apologist for Trump. Just because Obama was an imperialist, it does not mean that Trump wasn't. Killing tens of thousands of civilians in just 4 years with coup attempt in Venezuela, supporting the coup in Bolivia, to bombing a top Iranian official, etc. It all makes him an imperialist. I'm also not sure where you're getting the 10% number or how your tallying civilians killed under Obama. But bringing up Obama is a complete non sequitur on your assertion that Trump is in some ways not an imperialist
his death count is lower than his predecessor and he's pulled troops out consistently. the definition of expanding upon imperialism would be literally doing the direct opposite of what he did.
Obama death count was lower than his predecessor and he also pulled out troops, that doesn't make Obama not an imperialist. The definition of imperialist would definitely encompass two coups in Latin America and bombing civilians in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. His death count is lower but he's only served four years, he could have easily matched Obama's numbers had he been given 4 more years. You still haven't given me a source for Obama's death toll, which I'll remind you is still irrelevant to the argument
obama didn’t pull troops out, he put troops in and bombed more. ten times more strikes than bush
Those were drone strikes. Do you know the difference between drone strikes and ground troops? Obama withdrew troops from Iraq. This is common knowledge. What does any of this have to do with total civilian deaths which Bush had way more of, or the fact that Trump is also an imperialist?
You still have not given me a total obama civilian death count
Obama being an imperialist does not negate Trump being an imperialist. You seen to keep ignoring this too
the argument is that trump did not expand upon imperialism, which i've demonstrated. being not as expansive as your predecessor does show that you are literally not expanding upon imperialism, which was the original argument back in the first post. you seem to keep ignoring this.
i just showed you that obama didn’t pull troops out, he moved into Afghanista
But by the end of his administration there less troops in Afghanistan and Iraq than when he got into office. This is irrelevant because Obama is still an imperialist.
Same policy under Trump. How can you say trumps death count is 10% of Obama's if you don't even know Obama's death count?
His administration literally backed two coups in Latin America, one was actually successful, and the war in Yemen expanded. What are you talking about dude?
President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.
There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank.
Now will you stop acting like Trump is not an imperialist or are you going to keep acting like the chuds who think he's anti establishment?
No you're comparing this. I'm saying he's an imperialist like the rest of them. Also my article debunks that 13,000 number since it states 13k civilians died from US campaign in Syria and Iraq alone under Trump. It doesn't even include the civilians that died in Yemen.
And his whole presidency was just 1 term, what are you talking about
Also what hundreds of thousands does under Obama?
Stop being an apologist for Trump. Just because Obama was an imperialist, it does not mean that Trump wasn't. Killing tens of thousands of civilians in just 4 years with coup attempt in Venezuela, supporting the coup in Bolivia, to bombing a top Iranian official, etc. It all makes him an imperialist. I'm also not sure where you're getting the 10% number or how your tallying civilians killed under Obama. But bringing up Obama is a complete non sequitur on your assertion that Trump is in some ways not an imperialist
his death count is lower than his predecessor and he's pulled troops out consistently. the definition of expanding upon imperialism would be literally doing the direct opposite of what he did.
Obama death count was lower than his predecessor and he also pulled out troops, that doesn't make Obama not an imperialist. The definition of imperialist would definitely encompass two coups in Latin America and bombing civilians in Iraq, Syria, and Yemen. His death count is lower but he's only served four years, he could have easily matched Obama's numbers had he been given 4 more years. You still haven't given me a source for Obama's death toll, which I'll remind you is still irrelevant to the argument
obama didn't pull troops out, he put troops in and bombed more. ten times more strikes than bush
In his first few years in office, Obama dramatically ramped up the U.S. presence in Afghanistan, from a little over 30,000 to more than 100,000 troops at the peak in 2011.
there's tons of reasons to hate trump, but most are his domestic policy, not his foreign policy.
Those were drone strikes. Do you know the difference between drone strikes and ground troops? Obama withdrew troops from Iraq. This is common knowledge. What does any of this have to do with total civilian deaths which Bush had way more of, or the fact that Trump is also an imperialist?
You still have not given me a total obama civilian death count
Obama being an imperialist does not negate Trump being an imperialist. You seen to keep ignoring this too
i just showed you that obama didn't pull troops out, he moved into Afghanistan.
But by the end of his administration there less troops in Afghanistan and Iraq than when he got into office. This is irrelevant because Obama is still an imperialist.
Same policy under Trump. How can you say trumps death count is 10% of Obama's if you don't even know Obama's death count?
His administration literally backed two coups in Latin America, one was actually successful, and the war in Yemen expanded. What are you talking about dude?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207
From the article:
Now will you stop acting like Trump is not an imperialist or are you going to keep acting like the chuds who think he's anti establishment?