• JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Anti-Natalists are anti-human basically. It's a similar vein to incels, ecofascism or the "overpopulation" crowd. They attempt to fight capitalism with...not building families?

    So already deeply alienated people with no sense of community now have no familial ties when their parents die off and feel no shared sense of humanity to the next generation as they grow older and increasingly bitter that they can no longer empathise with someone that's just lost a baby?

    Deeply reactionary, a hopeless and miserable strain of ideology with zero revolutionary optimism to build a better world (and merely to "stop more slaves!" which involves checks notes celebrating babies dying)

    So gross 🤮

    If I ever fell pray to this kind of reactionary demagogy I'd just shoot myself rather than live in that ideological prison of misery that disembowels your soul of any humanity

    • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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      yeah I'm glad most comrades here don't fall for this eco-fascist bullshit

      (OP wasn't clear about how this post was made critically so it kind of gave me a scare)

    • Will2Live [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Wow you just summarized why I hate antinatalists way better than I ever could

    • Spartacist [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I’m not an anti natalist, nor an eco fascist, but you must understand, Joey, that the environment has already been decided, and there won’t be any life in earth in a few years.

      • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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        In the history of all declining empires in their dying years of their order their writings and culture are permeated with gloom and apocalypse on the horizon.

        Todays US is filled to the brim of writings of gloom, doom, misery and hedonism

        Whilst the environment is the challenge of our times I don't think it will lead to human extinction

        Althought mass misery is very likely

        However the Russian/Chinese and Korean communists lived through world war 1 (40 million dead), Russian famine 1921 (5 million dead), Famine again in 1932 (5 million dead), World war 2 (85 million dead, atomic bombing of 2 civilian cities then the Korean war with another 8 million dead

        They walked through a period of history that couldn't be closer to hell on earth if you tried.

        Imagine if they just gave up?

        • Spartacist [he/him]
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          I respect your spirit, and you are right about many things. However, this was over before it began. Trotsky sold us all out. I blame him most for this. If it weren’t for him, Stalin would have grown, seized control of Europe, and we would have had worldwide communism by 2000