The secret is that reactionary sentiments in this vein are really common in the hyperonline left. There's way too many people who seem to operate under some delusion that capitalism is actually worse than feudalism, despite how obviously absurd suggesting that is.
Personally, I think it's derived from an aesthetic preference for 'real culture' as opposed to the somehow 'non-existent/shallow' 'western' culture, there's a broad trend of opposition to popular culture and mass media in general. A lot of people seem to believe that after the RevolutionTM we'll go back to 'real' culture and all art will be communally produced garage bands and indie games and nobody will ever do a 'consoom' ever again. Anti-consumerism is a cancerous tick on the left that leads to all sorts of issues like this, not to mention that it's an incredibly unpopular position with most people and makes leftists look like fun-hating assholes. Doesn't hurt that internet leftists seem determined to prove that they're fun-hating assholes half the time.
If I didn't know better I'd suggest anti-consumerism as an idea is an op, but that'd be underestimating the stupidity of most internet leftists.
A lot of people seem to believe that after the RevolutionTM we’ll go back to ‘real’ culture and all art will be communally produced garage bands and indie games and nobody will ever do a ‘consoom’ ever again.
There’s way too many people who seem to operate under some delusion that capitalism is actually worse than feudalism, despite how obviously absurd suggesting that is.
There are some ways in which it is worse. Yes, generally capitalism is better than feudalism, but that doesn't mean every single aspect of it is better. I do think I'd rather be a medieval peasant on a good year than a modern worker in the middle of this pandemic and general collapse.
I don't think my human happiness would be particularly improved by being a peasant whose life consists of either grueling physical labor or doing shit with people that I better hope I like because if I don't too fuckin' bad I'm stuck in this one village of like 30 people for the rest of my life. Better hope I don't commit any social sins or in general ostracize myself!
I feel like leftists really romanticize tightly-woven small communities and forget that they're usually awful prisons for anyone stuck in the midst of them who doesn't fit in.
It's not so much that, it's that feudal life is hard work and oppressive in a different way. Capitalism relieved thos issues while adding many of its own.
Anyone who's got an idea of what farmwork takes knows when you do need to work it's backbreaking and you do it or you starve. The work is less consistent but still pretty hard and in hard times survival can be a lot more difficult than urban work or artisanship.
Remember, the landowners Mao killed were mostly Feudal, not capitalist.
I'm well aware that the idea is inaccurate, but that doesn't mean it wasn't still shit. It just wasn't parody-level awful.
And yes, capitalism was a liberation for the bourgeoisie, but that doesn't mean it didn't also put the working class into a better position. It was a secondary effect of the material conditions that allowed capitalism to arise.
I don't really know what to say to that, honestly. What, exactly, do you consider to be better about feudalism compared to capitalism? I can't think of a literal single thing.
. What, exactly, do you consider to be better about feudalism compared to capitalism?
I mean there were some pretty sweet parts of it. The moral certainty, the sense of community, the lack of environmental collapse, the government usually not concerning itself with you as long as you didn't bug em
Shit, Being The Dude seems pretty possible back then, sounds comfy. Obvi living nowadays is better, but thats only because of technology
got to say though, feels bad knowing that i will never get to eat hash with a judge, impress the sheikh with my long dong, and be rewarded with a cushy job eating more hash and telling stories in his court :sadness:
I suppose this is more a criticism of industrialism, rather than capitalism, since a feudal society might have this same problem in the modern day (who knows, haven't tested it). But, as the post pointed out, medieval peasants had significantly more free time than we workers do now. If you're a farmer, a good chunk of your time is just spent waiting for your crops to grow. There's nothing you can do to make them grow any harder. You've just gotta wait for the sun and the dirt and the rain to do their job.
So you can do whatever you want. Fuck off into the woods, watch some birds. Hang out with your friends. Build something for your own satisfaction. Make a work of art.
I don't consider free time in and of itself to be better than the lack of it, especially when there is not that much to actually do in all that free time. I'd rather be occupied with something I hate than feel like I don't have anything to do, if I was ok with existing in a null value I probably would've killed myself already.
Also either way this kind of critique is meaningless because in no reality is industrialization ever going away, unless we get wiped out by a meteor or something. Even in the worst case scenarios climate change will not make the conditions for industrial society impossible, it'll just make those industrial societies much smaller and deprive them of most luxuries and pleasurable items in general. Hell, the continued industrial-ness will probably be mandatory to survive in worst-case climate scenarios.
especially when there is not that much to actually do in all that free time.
This is just bad history. Medieval peasants occupied themselves with hobbies just like we do. Just because they didn't have video games doesn't mean they had nothing to do.
I didn't mean to imply that and frankly regret writing that first paragraph because it just takes away from the more meaningful second paragraph. Obviously they still did things and had hobbies there's bundles of archeological evidence for that, but the breadth of possible things to do was much narrower.
Perhaps it's just a matter of personal preference but if forced to choose I will always prefer a wide variety of options with less time to do them in than a narrower variety of options with more time to do them in. Although obviously more time and more options is always better, and sufficient automation might get us there at some point.
This seems like a reactionary sentiment
The secret is that reactionary sentiments in this vein are really common in the hyperonline left. There's way too many people who seem to operate under some delusion that capitalism is actually worse than feudalism, despite how obviously absurd suggesting that is.
Personally, I think it's derived from an aesthetic preference for 'real culture' as opposed to the somehow 'non-existent/shallow' 'western' culture, there's a broad trend of opposition to popular culture and mass media in general. A lot of people seem to believe that after the RevolutionTM we'll go back to 'real' culture and all art will be communally produced garage bands and indie games and nobody will ever do a 'consoom' ever again. Anti-consumerism is a cancerous tick on the left that leads to all sorts of issues like this, not to mention that it's an incredibly unpopular position with most people and makes leftists look like fun-hating assholes. Doesn't hurt that internet leftists seem determined to prove that they're fun-hating assholes half the time.
If I didn't know better I'd suggest anti-consumerism as an idea is an op, but that'd be underestimating the stupidity of most internet leftists.
This but unironically
There are some ways in which it is worse. Yes, generally capitalism is better than feudalism, but that doesn't mean every single aspect of it is better. I do think I'd rather be a medieval peasant on a good year than a modern worker in the middle of this pandemic and general collapse.
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I don't think my human happiness would be particularly improved by being a peasant whose life consists of either grueling physical labor or doing shit with people that I better hope I like because if I don't too fuckin' bad I'm stuck in this one village of like 30 people for the rest of my life. Better hope I don't commit any social sins or in general ostracize myself!
I feel like leftists really romanticize tightly-woven small communities and forget that they're usually awful prisons for anyone stuck in the midst of them who doesn't fit in.
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It's not so much that, it's that feudal life is hard work and oppressive in a different way. Capitalism relieved thos issues while adding many of its own.
Anyone who's got an idea of what farmwork takes knows when you do need to work it's backbreaking and you do it or you starve. The work is less consistent but still pretty hard and in hard times survival can be a lot more difficult than urban work or artisanship.
Remember, the landowners Mao killed were mostly Feudal, not capitalist.
I'm well aware that the idea is inaccurate, but that doesn't mean it wasn't still shit. It just wasn't parody-level awful.
And yes, capitalism was a liberation for the bourgeoisie, but that doesn't mean it didn't also put the working class into a better position. It was a secondary effect of the material conditions that allowed capitalism to arise.
ok but I usually do
I don't really know what to say to that, honestly. What, exactly, do you consider to be better about feudalism compared to capitalism? I can't think of a literal single thing.
I mean there were some pretty sweet parts of it. The moral certainty, the sense of community, the lack of environmental collapse, the government usually not concerning itself with you as long as you didn't bug em
Shit, Being The Dude seems pretty possible back then, sounds comfy. Obvi living nowadays is better, but thats only because of technology
that story of the hash eater is excellent thanks for sharing
of all medieval stories I've read it's the most Dudes Rock of em all. YW m8
got to say though, feels bad knowing that i will never get to eat hash with a judge, impress the sheikh with my long dong, and be rewarded with a cushy job eating more hash and telling stories in his court :sadness:
I suppose this is more a criticism of industrialism, rather than capitalism, since a feudal society might have this same problem in the modern day (who knows, haven't tested it). But, as the post pointed out, medieval peasants had significantly more free time than we workers do now. If you're a farmer, a good chunk of your time is just spent waiting for your crops to grow. There's nothing you can do to make them grow any harder. You've just gotta wait for the sun and the dirt and the rain to do their job.
So you can do whatever you want. Fuck off into the woods, watch some birds. Hang out with your friends. Build something for your own satisfaction. Make a work of art.
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I don't consider free time in and of itself to be better than the lack of it, especially when there is not that much to actually do in all that free time. I'd rather be occupied with something I hate than feel like I don't have anything to do, if I was ok with existing in a null value I probably would've killed myself already.
Also either way this kind of critique is meaningless because in no reality is industrialization ever going away, unless we get wiped out by a meteor or something. Even in the worst case scenarios climate change will not make the conditions for industrial society impossible, it'll just make those industrial societies much smaller and deprive them of most luxuries and pleasurable items in general. Hell, the continued industrial-ness will probably be mandatory to survive in worst-case climate scenarios.
This is just bad history. Medieval peasants occupied themselves with hobbies just like we do. Just because they didn't have video games doesn't mean they had nothing to do.
I didn't mean to imply that and frankly regret writing that first paragraph because it just takes away from the more meaningful second paragraph. Obviously they still did things and had hobbies there's bundles of archeological evidence for that, but the breadth of possible things to do was much narrower.
Perhaps it's just a matter of personal preference but if forced to choose I will always prefer a wide variety of options with less time to do them in than a narrower variety of options with more time to do them in. Although obviously more time and more options is always better, and sufficient automation might get us there at some point.
ok moviebob
it's a meme
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yeah but the cucks who slept through history class and get their knowledge from libs obsessed with le enlightenment stuff will never listen to you