Berlin will no longer be required to ensure that US drone strikes coordinated through an air base in Germany are in line with international law, a top court has ruled, in a “severe blow” to a case brought by human rights groups.
Kinda off topic but do most Germans share your view on WW2? I know you're taught extensively about the Holocaust, but do most people agree that total warfare was necessary for the complete destruction of the Nazi state?
If the roles were reversed, most Americans would probably see themselves as victims I think.
If the roles were reversed, most Americans would probably see themselves as victims I think.
I get where you're coming from, the US in particular seems to have a real problem with being attacked by anybody, probably because there just isn't any experience of having war within your own borders in American living memory. It's incomprehensible to us that people in the US still get worked up about Pearl Harbour, for example. When we see that, the immediate response is "that was almost 80 years ago, you won, you killed a hundred times as many Japanese when you nuked them, get the fuck over your stupid ships getting bombed." In general, everybody who isn't at least nazi-adjacent views Germany as the bad guys in WW2, and you'll probably get yelled at if you disagree. It's just consensus that 1933-45 where the worst years in German history, that what happened during these years where the worst crimes ever committed and that we're all responsible for this never happening again. There is no kind of conscious revanchism in the left, the center or even the moderate right. Maybe some of the German attitudes towards America or towards the USSR are subconsciously influenced by a revanchist streak for some people, i wouldn't rule that out completely, but i don't think that's common.
I mostly hope that America falls without nuking anybody. srs, though, the potential to learn and move on is definitely there once the entire propaganda aparatus crumbles and people are not profiteering off US imperialism any longer, but it takes time to develop. People say that the German attitude today stems from US denazification, but it actually didn't take root until the late 1960s, when the first postwar generation began to realize what their own parents probably did and started to confront them. It wasn't spoken much off before, everybody actually involved wanted to forget and America was oboard with that as soon as they realized they needed West Germany re-militarized to contain the Soviets.
Kinda off topic but do most Germans share your view on WW2? I know you're taught extensively about the Holocaust, but do most people agree that total warfare was necessary for the complete destruction of the Nazi state?
If the roles were reversed, most Americans would probably see themselves as victims I think.
I get where you're coming from, the US in particular seems to have a real problem with being attacked by anybody, probably because there just isn't any experience of having war within your own borders in American living memory. It's incomprehensible to us that people in the US still get worked up about Pearl Harbour, for example. When we see that, the immediate response is "that was almost 80 years ago, you won, you killed a hundred times as many Japanese when you nuked them, get the fuck over your stupid ships getting bombed." In general, everybody who isn't at least nazi-adjacent views Germany as the bad guys in WW2, and you'll probably get yelled at if you disagree. It's just consensus that 1933-45 where the worst years in German history, that what happened during these years where the worst crimes ever committed and that we're all responsible for this never happening again. There is no kind of conscious revanchism in the left, the center or even the moderate right. Maybe some of the German attitudes towards America or towards the USSR are subconsciously influenced by a revanchist streak for some people, i wouldn't rule that out completely, but i don't think that's common.
Hmm interesting, I hope whenever the American Empire falls we can look back at our history with as much honesty as ya'll do.
I mostly hope that America falls without nuking anybody. srs, though, the potential to learn and move on is definitely there once the entire propaganda aparatus crumbles and people are not profiteering off US imperialism any longer, but it takes time to develop. People say that the German attitude today stems from US denazification, but it actually didn't take root until the late 1960s, when the first postwar generation began to realize what their own parents probably did and started to confront them. It wasn't spoken much off before, everybody actually involved wanted to forget and America was oboard with that as soon as they realized they needed West Germany re-militarized to contain the Soviets.