The left is very very small in the US. We have no organized left based political party.
Let's be real about Corbyn; he was a weak leader who refused to purge his party of all Blairites when they kept attacking his character publicly and threatening to move to another party. He should've told them to go for it, and then purged them.
As for Sanders; he did a good job with grassroots and was arguably robbed a second time, but he failed against the monster that is the DNC and their corporate backing.
The progressive wing of the Democratic party is very small. People love to scream about DSA having more members than ever before, but really, the "squad" is all they have in congress and most DSA members holding office are in comfy blue states where they don't have to be concerned with a real challenge. They failed to radically transform the Democratic party, unlike the Tea Party movement that practically took over the GOP by 2012 and had their old neocons like McCain and Romney just barely hanging on from the onslaught. That was over 10 years ago. Now the GOP have literal QAnon believers headed to Congress.
France is still defiant, but as Mark Fisher would explain and lament, they’re fighting to keep their concessions in the narrative of capitalist realism, and not to change the world.
Say what you want about the French but at least they get up and start burning shit down and smashing stuff when they're mad. America had that for a week at the height of the BLM protests and then they let liberals co-opt and completely de-fang the protests.
We are a long, LOOOOOOOOOOONG ways away from a revolution in the US or UK. I doubt it will ever happen to be honest. Both countries are too conservative. They are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. If the Brits didn't have a revolution after Thatcher, I doubt they ever have one. As for us in the US, we really don't have a true left movement or party cause we have a bunch of people just arguing endlessly over identity politics and infighting over stupid shit. Thee is no working class movement. At all. Instead of trying to talk to the working class, the left is more concerned with trying to radicalize liberals. I think it's because so many of these so called "socialists" just think that socialism is when the government does stuff, and coming from a middle class background puts you out of touch with the harsh reality of what it's like being poor and working class.
The lesson to learn is - if you don't talk to them, someone else will. Here we are in 2020 and people still don't want to talk to working class people out of fear that they might be chuds or something.
We're more likely to have full blown fascism in the next 4 years, rather than anything left. We've had years to pull our heads out of our asses and assemble a working class movement. It will be too late in a few years when the GOP runs a competent fascist who promises to improve the lives of all the working class voters that they gained in this past election.
We are a long, LOOOOOOOOOOONG ways away from a revolution in the US or UK. I doubt it will ever happen to be honest. Both countries are too conservative.
My opinion right now is that revolution will only happen as a result of economic and ecological collapse. I feel like collapse is what we should really be preparing for.
I don't believe the GOP picked up any "working class" voters. The blacks and Hispanics who voted for Trump voted largely along class lines. The democrats are the party of the very wealthy, corporations and the poor. The GOP is now the party of the small business owner, landlords and cops.
The left is very very small in the US. We have no organized left based political party.
Let's be real about Corbyn; he was a weak leader who refused to purge his party of all Blairites when they kept attacking his character publicly and threatening to move to another party. He should've told them to go for it, and then purged them.
As for Sanders; he did a good job with grassroots and was arguably robbed a second time, but he failed against the monster that is the DNC and their corporate backing.
The progressive wing of the Democratic party is very small. People love to scream about DSA having more members than ever before, but really, the "squad" is all they have in congress and most DSA members holding office are in comfy blue states where they don't have to be concerned with a real challenge. They failed to radically transform the Democratic party, unlike the Tea Party movement that practically took over the GOP by 2012 and had their old neocons like McCain and Romney just barely hanging on from the onslaught. That was over 10 years ago. Now the GOP have literal QAnon believers headed to Congress.
Say what you want about the French but at least they get up and start burning shit down and smashing stuff when they're mad. America had that for a week at the height of the BLM protests and then they let liberals co-opt and completely de-fang the protests.
We are a long, LOOOOOOOOOOONG ways away from a revolution in the US or UK. I doubt it will ever happen to be honest. Both countries are too conservative. They are socially liberal and fiscally conservative. If the Brits didn't have a revolution after Thatcher, I doubt they ever have one. As for us in the US, we really don't have a true left movement or party cause we have a bunch of people just arguing endlessly over identity politics and infighting over stupid shit. Thee is no working class movement. At all. Instead of trying to talk to the working class, the left is more concerned with trying to radicalize liberals. I think it's because so many of these so called "socialists" just think that socialism is when the government does stuff, and coming from a middle class background puts you out of touch with the harsh reality of what it's like being poor and working class.
The lesson to learn is - if you don't talk to them, someone else will. Here we are in 2020 and people still don't want to talk to working class people out of fear that they might be chuds or something.
We're more likely to have full blown fascism in the next 4 years, rather than anything left. We've had years to pull our heads out of our asses and assemble a working class movement. It will be too late in a few years when the GOP runs a competent fascist who promises to improve the lives of all the working class voters that they gained in this past election.
My opinion right now is that revolution will only happen as a result of economic and ecological collapse. I feel like collapse is what we should really be preparing for.
I don't believe the GOP picked up any "working class" voters. The blacks and Hispanics who voted for Trump voted largely along class lines. The democrats are the party of the very wealthy, corporations and the poor. The GOP is now the party of the small business owner, landlords and cops.
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Sanders should have really run as an independent in the election. He very possibly would have won. The man is a coward.
Haha he would have never won, my guy. You can't beat them at the game they make the rules for.