now the DPRK can enjoy a little rest for now

  • Circra [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    What amazes me is how many libs seem to have the memory of goldfish and act all amazed and like the DPRK and Iran are somehow being all beligerant and insane in developing nuclear capabilities.

    Fuck's sake not 20 yrs ago the US declared Iran, Iraq and DPRK the axis of evil, invaded Iraq leading to millions of deaths. What the fuck do they think Iran and DPRK are gonna do? Sit on their thumbs or take a shot at the only possible chance they have of ensuring the same thing doesn't happen to them?

    • TheBroodian [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Americans have a stunningly poor ability to consider these situations from the position of the victims.

      • Circra [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I think they kinda see themselves as victims. I see this a lot. This idea that the IS is somehow the only thing holding back total evil. Sorta like white man's burden crossed with superhero comics. I guess that's how they justify atrocities they commit.

        • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Stolen and paraphrased from the Michael Brooks Tribute convo between Cornell West and Slavoj Zizek:

          "They hold the story of Moses in their hearts and claim they are the Israelites, not stopping for a moment to consider if they are the Egyptians."

        • Elohim [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          Yes. They also don't see themselves as shining knights or paragons defending the world order, like we often mock them. They actually see themselves as Jack Bauer. Complex, morally grey anti-heroes who are slightly better than the alternatives.

    • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      yeah in the 2002 bush just told the world he was gonna invade the axis of "evil" countries and a few months later they added 3 countries more, gadaffi in 2003 thought he was safe after Libya gave its WMD then Obama took power and bombed libya until everything that gadaffi built was destroyed, Syria keep its WMDs and then the US just funded a civil war against them

      the only deterrence that helps against the US is a nuclear arsenal

      • Circra [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Yeah exactly. Even if you don't like DPRK ir Iran it's very very clearly in their best interests to build nukes.

        If some bastard told everyone that me and a couple of my neighbours were evil and they were gonna drive me out my home and kill me, then drove one of my neighbours out and butchered half their family I would get tooled up as fast as I could.

        • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          yeah of couse, even if Iran has banned like 9 diferrent socialist parties and i dont agree with some policies of the DPRK there is no way i wish they end up like Libya with its slave markets and eternal civil war

    • evilgiraffemonkey [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Another good example is ghadaffi signing an agreement not to build nukes in like 2003, then 8 years later getting killed in the street. What do you expect other countries to do if you act like that