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Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”.
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I'm going to lose my mind once all the libs I know start claiming they never supported Ukraine.
They'll still whine and complain about being held accountable. I straight up saw a thread once that stated "tankies being right doesn't mean they're right!"
Doesn't matter, same song and dance every time and they never learn. When they are given a new Cause to rally behind, they will even as they throw the last one under the bus.
"Yeah, they really fooled us with Ukraine, but THIS TIME we know that (probably China) is the real threat to humanity!"
There is a big difference between changing your mind and being such a massive tool that you get whipped into a blood frenzy by the media and then drop that whole notion on a dime. All while calling those who tell you that you are being duped puppets of the Communists/Saddam/Putin etc. ..
Happend in Vietnam, happend in Irak, happend in Afghanistan, is currently happening in Ukraine and it will happen again in the next region the USA fights a war or proxy war over.
So no I wouldn't let them get away with "I changed my mind."
I agree.
Still, it won't stop smug liberals from using this 'argument' to shut down discussion.
Yeah. Being a Communist in the first world sometimes feels like being Cassandra. We know we are right, history keeps proving us right and yet no one believes us.
They will either deny it or do some fake narcissistic self-reflection of growth and learning.... and then promote whatever contemporary conflict is happening then.
Vietnam was bad, but current war isnt
Iraq war was bad but current war isnt
Und like zhat, zhe ukronazi terror begins!
"I have seen such threats from low ranking individuals of the fascist Bandera fringe. They spoke of terrorism they would unleash in the West should it end its support for Ukraine. That the Ukrainian president now reinforces such threats shows how deeply he immersed himself in that mindset."
Man, can you really believe there are NAFO dogs who'll tell you directly to your face that Zelensky can't be Azov-tied, can't possibly be some fascist Banderite neonazi, simply because he's Jewish; like the entire state of Israel doesn't exist and isn't committing a straight up militant-genocidal Lebensraum as we speak? While also under the auspices of the United Satan?
Ukronazi terrorism would simply be a repeating of history. The US funded terrorists in the middle east, as a result got 9/11. France funded terrorists in Syria, as a result they got the Bataclan massacre and more. The EU is funding terrorists in Ukraine, see where this is going?
Sadly these people have learned nothing, and are also incapable of connecting the dots.
With 9/11 and Syria you had at least non-white people attacking white people, which was beneficial for right wing rhetoric and such. I wonder what happens when the inevitable Ukrainian right wing extremists target people in Europe, which will probably be left wing people or outright the LGBTQ+ communities. There is no way for the right to spin an attack of white people on one of the groups they themselves continually demonize.
There is no way for the right to spin an attack of white people on one of the groups they themselves continually demonize.
"Homo sovieticus terrorist orcs attack freedom loving Europeans" and mind you: First, this will be after war when whatever remain of Ukraine will have to come to some kind of deal with Russia, so NATO will immediately declare them traitors to the "everything european". And second, it wouldn't be even first time when neocons, libs and all this united NATO scum will paint themselves rainbow and pose as the defenders of LGBTQ+ and leftists, and said western liberal LGBTQ+ and "leftists" will enthusiastically join that campaign, just as they are joining the current op.
I think it's just going to be indiscriminate, the more casualties the better. They also have the means to carry this out, since they have NATO weaponry. Euros might just live to regret ever giving them depleted uranium and cluster munitions. This will cement the irreversible fall of Western Europe as a world superpower.
It's not even going to be difficult to 'justify' for them after however many months/years hearing western libs say fuck you we don't care cluster munitions and depleted uranium are Safe™ and its okay to target civilians if they're on the other side and might have different opinions to you.
They'll spin it into attacks on Slavs and general "suspicious people"
The right will endorse violence against reasonable and intelligent people. They'll just say that the UkraNazis are justified because the ebil Russkies deserve it.
They’ll just say that the UkraNazis are justified because the ebil Russkies deserve it.
Some are already saying it
not the point. I don't want to kill people I want to not be attacked
u mean white people killing white people? nah, ukranians are white people while they are doing nato's dirty job, when the war ends the white people title are going to be revoked and ukranians once again be just slavs, soviet union heirs and etc, in short, the same treatment russia is getting now.
"How will the EU ever figure out how to make conflict with slavs a racial issue?"
also Israel won't have anything to do with Ukraine on account of Ukraine's pro holocaust collaborator policies with regards to bandera and open support of neo-nazis
That is incredibly insidious threat.
Not only to the Europe, but it's aimed at the Ukrainians in European countries. In general they have been very reluctant to go back to fight (hence the talk of extraditions currently ongoing). Those number in millions, so putting some sleeper cells among them is easy.
And what would happen after war, if there is sudden wave of terror attacks done by the Ukrainians? Entire Europe will turn into bloodthirsty r/Europe Hitler particle emitter in a blink.
Is it also an implied threat to Ukrainian refugees? Either come back and fight or we'll unleash the Anglo-European terror machine on you by turning your host nations against you with some terrorism.
Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues.
Without foreign military aid, how would Ukraine be able to prolong the conflict? An army with no weapons and rapidly dwindling manpower is hardly an army, they'd be forced to sue for peace.
Imagine begging for billions of dollars in aid and then threatening to somehow activate sleeper refugees as terrorists if countries don't comply. Would the refugees even listen, surely the vast majority of people fleeing the country aren't the nationalistic type. Otherwise they'd have been running in the other direction.
He's probably implying the widespread idea that "if putler is not stopped here, WHERE WIIIIIL HE STOOP??!!!". I'm sure you have seen a variation of it already. The notion that suing for peace is "appeasement" and if Russia is not crushed in Ukraine, its armies will march across Europe
In theory they could turn it into a prolongued guerrilla warfare, although I'm not sure their leadership could rally people towards that.
Running terror groups would likely require less people - just look at the drone bombings of various Russian areas, the bombings of journalists (Darya Dugina and the fellow in Petersburg whose name I forgot), attempted bombing of Zakhar Prilepin all the way in Niznhy Novgorod region
Critical support for Comrade Zelensky and his proposed armed struggle against the Euro menace.
I think Ukraine is starting to treat us like they're used to treating the soviet union expecting everything yesterday and really ungrateful when they get it
Wow what a shitty thing to say and upvote.
Ukraine was a founding member of the USSR, the second largest republic, the bread basket of the whole country, and a major industrial centre.
You pulled the idea that Ukrainians were some ungrateful exploiters during the USSR period straight out your arse.
But to suggest that Ukrainians should be grateful to the West for the proxy war the West is so happy to wage to the last Ukrainian is something else.
Really disappointing to see this liberal brain rot upvoted here.
that's a fair point I suppose it's just really frustrating to see billions of my governments money being poured into this while food and energy prices go up and up
and it's hard not to link that with the Ukrainians on tv who keep talking about how we need to do more and more and just generally acting like princes of the city.
Definitely winning the war behaviour when you're helping make the rest of the world become xenophobic against your people
Red Button -------------- Blue Button
Loyal to the ----------- Loyal to the cold
fanaticism ------------- logic of capital
of fascism -------------- accumulation
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The bit that gets me is that Al-Qaeda's biggest (imperialist) issue was the USA, halfway across the world and with 90s tech. If Azov follows the same path, not only will they have a much bigger beef with closer European countries like Germany (but more likely eastern countries), but have shit like drones that can cause a significant amount of damage with less danger of being caught. Part of me is like "Unlimited genocide on the first world" but since they're racist shits I think it's obvious that they're going to target minorities and specifically scapegoats they can find for their lost war.
First as a tragedy, you know the drill.
They would just have their honorary whiteness dismissed and will get the same treatment as all other war refugees
I can't take Zelenskyy's behavior and words seriously. His threats hit like a paper airplane. He sounds like a barking chihuahua on an iron-leash.
Well good luck with Poland and Germany 🇩🇪. There will be Nazi marches in 2024.
Weren't there Nazi marches in Poland already? I distinctly recall photos of some brownshirt weirdos a couple of years ago
That's ONR, most open christonazis here. So far pretty marginal.
Much bigger threat are the "sanation" types polofash nationalists, they can move tons of people and have an actual ruling political party behind them, PiS. When shit hits the fan they will slide toward full fascism pretty fast.
Piłsudski's political faction main political slogan was "moral sanation of state and society", therefore it's commonly called just "Sanacja" in Poland. PiS openly appeal to that and don't hide that they see themselves as the political scions of that faction.
I'm guessing by "moral sanation" they mean extermination of everything "deviant", starting with socialism?
Yup, though it was rather on a less severe range of fascism, mostly due to weakness of communists in Poland.
If I remember historically, not so less severe as German fascism since right sanationists had no problem collaborating with the kraut bastards in antagonizing the Soviets and getting their slice of Czechoslovakia during the inter-war period
Truly wild that this is coming from him and not some kind of spooky RuZZian disinformation bot, it is predicated on the idea that Ukrainian refugees are a fifth column of stochastic terror just waiting to happen. Given these are the people who chose life over throwing themselves into the grinder out of nationalist fervour, I'm not convinced of that.
Is this meant as a threat that they sent a few dozen SBU among the refugees?
Is this meant as a threat that they sent a few dozen SBU among the refugees?
Most likely. You are correct that overwhelming most of Ukrainian economic migrants and refugees don't want to have nothing to do with that war, as observed by them not getting back to fight and UA government forbidding people to leave and trying to extradite those that left. But in case there is really SBU or other org terror in Europe, all Ukrainians in the EU will suddenly be treated like danger and the usual spiral of hatred and opression will follow, and those ordinary people will then be worked upon by the SBU to radicalize them further, textbook terrorist cell making straight from CIA manuals.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised to hear in a few years that the CIA explicitly taught such tactics to them. They could always pass it off to western Europe as something that would be used against Russia, knowing that when a third of the weapons shipped to Ukraine don't make it to the front lines, there's going to be lots of opportunities to destabilise western Europe if they get uppity at any point.
Or he's happy to throw Ukrainian refugees under the bus. If fear mongering and xenophobia forces them back it's just more meat for the grinder.
Are we now already reaching the "if only Steiner's counterattack succeeded" stage of this conflict?
And at the same time devaluing European assets, ready for US capital to fly in for the fire sale.
