• Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    It only has to happen once to break the spine of capital. It's extremely difficult to take things away from people that improve their lives. Once people are shown an alternative, it's over for capitalism. They have to win every battle. We have to win once.

    Yes it's depressing right now, but this thing is just starting. Quality of life is dropping so precipitously that the clashes are inevitable - when those clashes occur you'll be out in the streets, same with me. Will those lead to anything? Maybe not, but what's the alternative? None of us can predict the future. Every coup is a long shot until it actually happens, and that comes from the coup masters the CIA.

    Class consciousness is awakening. The imperial core is dying and neither political party has any solution.

    • anthm17 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      They don't need to win every time because once they lose they will just start killing and not stop until it doesn't matter that we won.

      Turn on chapo and hear them gloating about the lack of a coup and essentially saying anyone concerned at any point is a fool. Look at the right, it's people who have no use for democracy anymore and want the killing to start.

      • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Oh there will be mass violence, no doubt. Have you read the Jakarta Method? The protectors of capital will kill as many as possible to protect their hegemony. But if they're massively outnumbered it won't matter, because the math doesn't work out in their favor if the cannons are pointed in their direction.

        We know their tactics. The only reason the Red Scare worked so well was because living conditions were great. Living conditions are shit now and getting worse. There is no alternative capitalism can offer. The New Deal was the thing that saved capitalism.

        • anthm17 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Yes, and it's why I cringed so hard listening to the beginning of the latest chapo. Reading that book and the way things happened.

          Even the pessimistic leftists were mostly saying that Trump can't get it done, but look at the reaction from the right and realize that this is not liberals whining about democracy dying because Trump served McDonalds.

          There are police training outfits putting out presentations claiming that BLM and Antifa are planning massive violence, that they have trained infiltrators and snipers ready to strike. Teaming up with foreign assets to coordinate. Going to overthrow the government.

          America is not in a good state.

          But if they’re massively outnumbered it won’t matter

          Yeah, that's why they use state terror.

          We know their tactics. The only reason the Red Scare worked so well was because living conditions were great. Living conditions are shit now and getting worse

          Conditions were not great during the first, and the first was when socialism was strong. They beat it.

          Knowing their tactics is only useful if you actually do something to take advantage of that. Forming a third party isn't taking advantage. Trying to rebuild the lost unions isn't taking advantage.

          These are old ideas. These are losing ideas.