I swear unanimous appreciation of china was a pretty common sentiment and now I'm consistently seeing upbeared comments about how china isn't and never was a socialist state, and how actually their use of markets is as bad if not worse than america. What's going on? IDK what to think or what side I'm on here but it just seems like opinions fundamentally changed so quickly, it's weird.

  • Mindfury [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Can I still hold my not-fully-formed opinion that Dengism is liberalism but that most Uyghur reporting is bullshit that comes from a literal neo-nazi psychopath?

    • Express [any,none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      A quick trip to China would prove this is true to the vast majority of people. One of biggest issue facing China right now is income inequality and ironically overpriced housing and landlords rent seeking :mao-shining:

      The people on the streets know there is a real estate bubble because of all the investors gobbling up property. The amount of stupid nepotism I see from the second generation rich is disgusting, but since right now everything is moving in the right direction people are letting it slide. This is still miles better than the US, but when I was last in Shenzhen it was one of the biggest topics of discussion I had we some coworkers who live there.

      • KiaKaha [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The difference between the USA and the PRC isn’t so much in the existence of capital or landlords or anything, but rather the responsiveness of the governance.

        For instance, regarding Shenzhen, we’re seeing it look to Singapore’s public housing approach.

        Things will slide so long as it moves in the right direction. A society broadly responsive to people’s needs is, at the present point in time, good enough for me.

        • Express [any,none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I think one of the biggest differences for better or worse is the proximity to the revolution. It’s still within living memory so people know what happens when governments don’t care for people and work to provide for them, but it’s close enough the government is probably too paranoid and cracks the censorship whip too often. The biggest fault of the US is it’s inability to see itself in the wider context of the world and learn from others.

    • Qelp [they/them,she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Idk if I’d call it liberalism, it’s more like left-wing social democracy. Basically if a communist party took over one of the Nordic countries and made some super small reforms.