Anti-trans organizations have said that their position against gender affirming care center on "protecting kids." Now, a Florida judge has allowed them to proceed with their next target: trans adults.


Several weeks ago, a federal judge in Florida halted a ban on gender-affirming care for transgender youth, declaring it likely unconstitutional. Yet, transgender adults were also heavily impacted by the law: 80% of gender-affirming care providers for trans adults in the state were forced to stop. Consequently, many found themselves forced to flee the state, temporarily or permanently, in order to access care. Those forced to stay clung to the hope that the provisions targeting them might also be overruled. However, those hopes suffered a setback when the 11th Circuit Court determined that discriminating against transgender individuals in healthcare would be allowed, at least in the short term. Relying on this verdict, the Florida Judge Monday declined to block the sections affecting trans adult care. Now, the precedent has been set for adult care bans, a stark contradiction to some anti-trans activists' assurances that their sole aim was to "protect children."

Earlier this year, Florida passed SB254. The bill did not only prohibit gender-affirming care for transgender youth, but also casted stringent requirements for care on trans adults. Specifically, the laws bars nurse practitioners from administering care and mandates that providers distribute inaccurate medical forms, laden with misleading narratives, suggesting treatments are experimental. This was a substantial change, as the vast amount of trans adult care is provided by nurse practitioners. A representative from a clinic in the state, SPEKTRUM Health, estimated that 80% of such care would be affected. Further, the new informed consent form dictates a pre-requisite of "social support" before a trans individual embarks on care, despite many trans adults losing social support from their families after they transition. Though the initial discussion centered on the effect of the bill on trans youth, trans adults across the state suddenly saw their prescriptions dropped by their providers as a result.


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  • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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    9 months ago

    Literally nobody ever believed it was about "protecting the children." This was never anything more than a cheap shot by those with low and questionable moral value to force everyone else down to their own level in the swamps. Anyone who tells you they are doing this "as a proper Christian" are the same kind of people who are so morally bankrupt that they can't even tell you what it means to love thy neighbor without looking up the words in their favorite piece of fiction.

    • rubpoll [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      Literally nobody ever believed it was about "protecting the children."

      Liberal rubes sure did. They'll keep insisting that's the case too, even as bans on trans adults existing sweep forth. Liberals absolutely don't give a fuck about us.

    • @NotErisma
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    • @Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      What if I told you... that's a feature, not a bug?

      It's far too much to type and way too philosophical for anyone to give a shit about, but, tldr: the US (and arguably the world) is on a freight train speeding at absolute destruction. No one in power is pushing the stop button. (In the US) one party is (sometimes) pushing a slowdown button but the other party is always slamming any button they can find that doesn't say stop on it. They know where it leads, and this is what they want. Everyone "knows" the current institutions and systems are failing, but the only politically relevant (so, in the US, not the actual left) force with power is the far right wingers who desire destruction and their only resistance is the left and right wing liberals in the middle going "noooo the institutions!" but no one actually cares about the institutions, besides other liberals. They lack any ability though, due to their political ideology, to actually fight for the beloved institutions. They can only rely on the powerful far right to "come to their senses" and stop pushing the death button. Unfortunately for them, the far right will not stop without someone stopping them- forcefully. And since the far right and liberals effectively eliminated the far left and even the center left for the most part... there's no one to counter that far right fascistic death drive.

      But you don't even need that accurate assessment of things to understand the situation. Just know they want to abolish public education, medicine, doctors, anything related to "science" broadly, any non-Christian religions, non-white people, LGBTQ+ people and anything tangentially related to gay stuff (imagined or real), etc. pretty much infinitely.

      These people are the proto-Nazis of our time. Not everything will align perfectly, but it doesn't have to. They want to burn medical information, they want to destroy what they see as "perverted secular society" burn it all away and cleanse the land for some great rebirth of a Christian Nationalist theocracy where white men are elevated above everyone and your white male status plus property owning status is all that matters. I know this all sounds cliche and overstated at this point... but they keep proving it true every chance they get.

      The worst part is that ultimately they're the only side making progress towards their goal because their goal is aligned with the way things are going and must go. But the difference is we can arrive at that destructive moment, whenever it is, and come out the other side in some Christian theocracy nightmare world or something much better than we can currently imagine possible. As it stands right now, that nightmare vision seems to be the only viable conclusion. Which is rather depressing...

  • Aliveelectricwire [it/its]
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    9 months ago

    This is a real "which side are you on?" moment. You're either for helping trans people or want us gone.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    9 months ago

    Florida becoming the foundation of American fascism over the past 20 years is such a weird development. It used to be the party state. It did and still does have a huge supportive queer community.

    I can only point to wealthy retirees shaping Florida's trajectory

    • JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      It's also fitting the vanguard of America's descent into fascism will one of the earlier places (in the US) to be rendered uninhabitable by the climate change.

      Fascism is a death cult.

  • @Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml
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    40
    9 months ago

    It was never about kids.

    Anyone that knew their history knew that the whole "PROTECT THE CHILDREEENS" rhetoric was nothing more than a ploy to get a foot in the door for all this shit.

    • @smollittlefrog@lemdro.id
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      9 months ago

      You really think such a ban isn't supported by a large amount of voters? You think it's purely the "bourgeoisie" that's transphobic?

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        It's a pretty reliable statistic that whenever anti-trans legislation goes to a public referendum, it fails. When this kind of stuff is a genuine public vote, the public almost always votes in favor of trans rights.

        It's also a reliable statistic that the more a politician talks about being anti-trans, the worse they do electorally.

        Anti-trans legislation is being pushed through by appointed judges, unelected committees, state cabinets, shit like that. It's not being pushed by a public vote.

      • silent_water [she/her]
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        9 months ago

        no it's that a system controlled by the wealthy can't and won't fix this. the perpetual culture war prevents working class solidarity and ensures the continuation of exploitation. fascism is just the byproduct of the system working as intended.

      • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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        9 months ago

        I know it isn't supported by a large amount of voters. You can look at polling that shows even conservatives are split on it and a lot find it offputting. It is being pushed by the bourgeoisie because they need a scapegoat for their economic system failing while the work to change to a fascist capitalist mode of production and crush anti-capitalist organizing.

        And if it was supported, guess why it would be supported? Because the bourgeois media systemically spread hatred of the group.

        Edit: also what you said isn't related to what I wrote. How does however many people supporting transphobia relate to us being in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie which will not allow us to take effective action against transphobes through its mechanisms?

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        No one is saying that its only the bourgeois that are homophobic. But it is the fact that liberal democracy only works for them that makes it so a party can rule as a minority.

        Generally these bans are not popular. Not with enough people that they would pass. Everywhere a referrendum has occured the anti-trans side has lost, as with abortion as well. These aren't popular policies.

        The anti-democratic way our institutions are set up allows a party to hold a majority of power with a minority of support. That is what the bourgeois want and care about, and what will not change through vote

  • @HornyOnMain
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    9 months ago

    Maybe it's overstated, maybe it's been said before, but it stays true:

    Death to America amerikkka my heart goes out to all my fellow trans people trapped under American fascism

          • Rom [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            If you think communism and fascism are the same then you don't understand either.

            • @Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml
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              9 months ago

              Yeah yeah, "I just sit at the table with nazi's, it doesnt make me a nazi!"

              The famous cry of the piece of shit that doesnt want people to know they are a piece of shit.

              • Rom [he/him]
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                Right because communists are famously known for tolerating Nazis. Ask the Red Army how they felt about the Nazis in Berlin back in 1945.

                • @Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml
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                  9 months ago

                  Yeah, Tankies and the red army.

                  Fought nazi's in WW2.

                  Became the nazi's in 2020.

                  Thanks for the apt fucking comparison.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                Everywhere facism has come, communists have been the first to die fighting it.

                Everywhere fascism has come, liberals have thrown the doors wide open for it, hoping to get rid of the communists.

                Your entire political orthodoxy is "sitting with nazis for money until they kill you too"

              • Adkml [he/him]
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                9 months ago

                That's literally what liberals are doing.

                Communists are saying we should fight fascists

                Liberals are the ones who insist that makes us the same as them.

                Liberals are the ones who keep going on about good republicans and swooning over mitt Romney and Liz fucking Cheyney.

                Tell me again who's sitting with nazis and ignoring that fact.

              • @GreatGrapeApe@reddthat.com
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                9 months ago

                Fascism as an ideology arises as a response to socialism and positions itself in opposition to socialism. They are not at all the same.

                The more apt critique is that aside from the GDR for its last few years almost no socialist society has had a good record regarding LGBT+ rights.

                • Dolores [love/loves]
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                  9 months ago

                  no socialist society has had a good record regarding LGBT+ rights

                  Cuba does fidel-bat

                • utopologist [any]
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                  9 months ago

                  Did any capitalist countries at the same time have meaningfully better stances on LGBT rights?

            • @Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml
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              9 months ago

              How quickly they try to co-opt the holocaust and other peoples oppression when they are outed for what they are.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                9 months ago

                Youre talking about the OUN holocaust collaborators who invented the idea of the holodomor, right?

              • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                You think proof I'm talking bullshit is going to change my mind tankie? Think again. I'm on to your pathetic technique of citing scholars who who agree with you even though they don't share your ideology, so it seems like neutral corroboration. It's not going to sway me because I'm not going to read it anyway.

                Why would i read, when I'm akready right about everything? Checkmate red fash tankie! smuglord

          • Sinister [none/use name, comrade/them]B
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            9 months ago

            "Tankies" are the only people who stand up for the marginalized people in the west, the empty sloganism of "Non-Tankies" have only probed them to be fair-weather friends.

            • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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              9 months ago

              NATO lefties chastising the Marxist left for wanting to temporarily keep a military/police force then hopping to another burner account to 'reluctantly' defend a settler state with the worlds second largest armed forces:

              Show

          • Grimble [he/him,they/them]
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            15
            9 months ago

            Accurate username. But at the same time your sense of humor tells me a lot about your actual character/level of maturity.

        • @Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml
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          9 months ago

          Yes, because someone that calls for death to nazi's obviously is a holocaust denier.

          Classic tankie logic right there, folks. now quickly run back to hexbear and lemmygrad and cry some more so more of your cohorts come and spew laughable stupidity.

  • @JakenVeina@lemm.ee
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    32
    9 months ago

    We all knew where this was going, but I honestly didn't think we'd getbl here so quickly.

  • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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    28
    9 months ago

    Mfw they ban testosterone and all the ski doo dealership owners go back to being flabby little dweebs

  • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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    9 months ago

    kids were just the foot in the door if they cared about kids they would give a shit about school shootings

  • @3rihskerb@lemm.ee
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    26
    9 months ago

    These people will never stop ripping rights away from others. I’ll never understand people pushing their will on others.

  • Sinister [none/use name, comrade/them]B
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    9 months ago

    I have seen a lot of my social circles going from yeah trans/gay people can be misogynists to only people with vaginas who should be allowed to go to women's bathrooms to the "skittles community" is destroying womanhood and modern feminism is too woke. Its very scary times, I no longer feel safe amidst the people I used to call friends.