• CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      10 months ago

      Both US parties are anti-lib

      I am begging liberals to please learn the meaning of words

      • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        Yeah. They think they can be capitalists, conservatives and libs at the same time like wtf

        One should either want people to be liberated from capitalist hierarchies or conserve them, there's no both

        Remember comrades, don't trust and repeat the capitalist redefining of words. North Americans might have a hard time learning out of the programming.

        Using their apologia language just serves them and none sustain critical evaluation.

        "Neoliberal" = pure capitalist conservatism. "Economic liberalism/free markets" same bullshit. All trying to maintain the status quo anti-liberal hierarchy.

        Edit: sorry for hurting capitalist feelings that are in some of the comments

        • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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          10 months ago

          Liberalism is the ideology that justifies the continued existence of capitalism, and in that ideology there are social factions with tactical disagreements about how best to manage and justify capitalism, this usually manifests as a cultural divide among conservative liberals and social liberals, but both of them are subsumed by the current mass iteration of liberalism we call neoliberalism

        • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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          10 months ago

          Liberals are capitalists because they believe in the 'freedom' of markets. Liberalism does not refer to freedom from hierarchy, it refers to freedom from feudalism and feudal dues, specifically. The freedom of private property.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          10 months ago

          What is your definition of liberal?

          Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism and encompasses all liberal tendencies - conservatives, social liberals, dem socs, libertarians etc. If you're defining it in a unique way you should let us know so we can understand what you mean

          • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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            10 months ago

            Any common dictionary is totally fine for sharing definitions, it's the way terms are used one needs to stay vigilant about

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      10 months ago

      liberalism is the dominant ideology of capitalism. neither US party is anti-lib because to be such is to be anticapitalist.

    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      "Both parties are anti-lib" in truth means that they don't function the way that your fairy tales tell you they should, so you pretend they're not Liberal.

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        10 months ago

        This person is pretty strange. They consider themselves some sort of anarchist i think, but really care about the word liberal and insist that everyone else in the world but them is using it wrong because... shrug-outta-hecks

        • quarrk [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          They literally just invented a meaning of their own: Liberal = liberation from capitalist hierarchy

          which is hilariously wrong, historically speaking

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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            10 months ago

            Yeah, since liberals invented the capitalist hierarchy. But somehow using words correctly is "capitalist apologia language" and the definition they invented is the one true leftist way of speaking