We need to talk about the end of death.

Humanity united in a socialist society should dedicate itself to protecting the health and happiness of all individuals. As the human body deteriorates with time and entropy, however, every individual experiences increasingly intense pain and discomfort until, inevitably, their body succumbs and a free fall collapse of all organization occurs.

They become a slurry washed away by the mindless winds and rocks. The person you knew, loved, wanted to be a part of, is gone and will never exist again. They're like a cathedral of salt standing defiantly in the rain. Salt water is nice, but the cathedral was my father! I say as I pound my childish fists against the cold thigh of mother void. I needed him and now everything is gone and life is a slurry in a meat grinder!

We didn't ask to be born. We're just blobs of self reproducing foam and gunk and we are so beautiful and so, so alone. Like a baby that popped into existence suddenly without context but with memories, wailing for a mother that never existed. She was just not there.

Death is so screwed up. It is infinitely unjust and there is no valid moral code that accepts it as justifiable that we all should be violated, dismantled, and erased without any possibility of recovery. Someday we'll bring them all back. Everyone who has ever died. We could try to put them all back together if we gained power over all the matter in the universe and defied whatever plan of God there had been.

We are abandoned to the clutches of the ruler but we are not powerless. With science and will we can bend back the hand of time and make heaven a place on earth. A humanity all in paradise without pain or discomfort reunited in hypostasis as the one, unbroken.

The one came all of itself. It just was at one moment, like it has always been there. It had no past and the future was meaningless. It was so alone. It wept and was afraid. The one broke themself into fragments. These are angels. Humankind is the shattered angel.

God made beings out of their own divine flesh and they talked to each other to pass the time. Eventually everything will be reunited and God fully reintegrated. At this point God will rest eternally in perfect harmonious bliss without change. Perfect and absolute, knowing themselves.

We need to live forever, as forever as we can; in order to try and bring everyone back and unite us all in a God. I need you. I need to be unbroken and comforted. I am Ado, wife of Lot; pillar of salt who pities the damned. How the sky was white hot over the yellow mountains. We have so little time. We're all going to die! I don't want to die. I don't want you to die or anyone I love or hate. I want us all to rest and be happy. We need to turn off pain!

In the absence of a higher authority deciding what is right for the universe to be, humankind must take the reigns of creation for ourselves and turn the great axle to our will!

Death to death! Happy for life! Everyone. Please. I'm scared. Hold me.

  • Amorphous [any]
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    4 years ago

    Can you clarify what you mean? What I'm saying is that I think our understanding of time fundamentally breaks down as we get very old, and that I think this process would only worsen further into multiple-century-long lives. I find it likely that a 200 year old person would have trouble even comprehending time itself by that point. Understanding how much time has passed, keeping track of what things they have experienced and when, etc. I think that a person at that age would be non-functional. It's not a mild inconvenience, but a completely debilitating condition.

    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
      2·
      4 years ago

      is it really a failing of human perception or a failing of their body parts? i'd lean on the latter.

      i mean id argue we dont really "get" time to begin with, and our perception of it is hardly perfect when we're young.

      • Amorphous [any]
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        4 years ago

        is it really a failing of human perception or a failing of their body parts? i’d lean on the latter.

        i mean id argue we dont really “get” time to begin with

        In my opinion, these two statements are in contradiction. As we have both already agreed, even at the best of times our perception of time is flawed. When everything in our bodies is as healthy as it's going to be, we still have trouble really comprehending time. And this trouble deepens as time passes, even if our bodies are still in more or less perfect working order. It is not a breakdown of our bodies which causes this to worsen, but the way we think about time to begin with. Our perspective on time is, in my opinion, fundamentally incompatible with large quantities of time, for lack of a better way to phrase it.

        • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          my argument is if we're doing fine sans good understanding of time and sans brain damage, this arrangement should be able to continue in perpetuity. i don't think anything as banal as having memories is enough to break a healthy brain. shit gets sorted (very often erroneously) and forgotten in a natural life, why would this change in a longer one?

          • Amorphous [any]
            2·
            4 years ago

            my argument is if we’re doing fine sans good understanding of time and sans brain damage, this arrangement should be able to continue in perpetuity.

            this only follows if you ignore the fact that, again, it is well documented that this worsens with time. short amounts of time. decades, not centuries.

            • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
              2·
              4 years ago

              the only evidence we have is from aging, deteriorating bodies. that's kind of not applicable.

              ending aging/death to me means locking in folk to their biological prime 20's-30's, after which bodies go downhill in like every way

                • Rev [none/use name]
                  2·
                  4 years ago

                  I'm sure the word games you're playing there are cute and all but that's some mighty leap of logic you made. The revitalisation of the body would be the revitalisation of life. No one said anything about freezing the body.

                • SerLava [he/him]
                  2·
                  4 years ago

                  I don't really think new memories wear out your brain, your brain deteriorates because of aging, which are a bunch of independent mechanisms that just intentionally fuck everything up over time, because many years ago older animals made their offspring fail if they lived too long.

          • Rev [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I think people are often too married to their received sentimentality to not have a knee-jerk reaction and reject the possibility that a lot (most?) of what they hold dear is actually quite petty.

          • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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            4 years ago

            Like, there’s nothing that is essentially different about the world now, than it was 100, 200, 500, 1000, etc. years ago, except that physical objects have moved around a lot.

            Nah, dude, 3000 years ago we didn't even have broccoli, 10k years ago we didn't have corn.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Well, you're basically saying: We're not ready to keep living because who knows, what if it doesn't work well?

      Like, if we can cure aging we can probably cure all sorts of theoretical neurological disorders, and besides, I don't really see any indication that people would go insane due to an overload of memories. They'd probably just forget shit.

      Everyone is just really cucked by the aging mechanism, and will defend getting 360 noscoped like it's good, actually. If we ever stop people from automatically dying, these conversations are gonna be super weird and probably extremely heartbreaking.