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  • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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    a fraction of a fraction of the left in the countries that make up Chapo’s userbase.

    But the vast majority of the global left

    • skollontai [any]
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      Lol, if it makes you feel better to think that, go for it man. I'd ask you for a citation, but I don't even know how you would go about quantifying this. I can tell you the left in India is pretty anti-China given the historical relationship, so that accounts for about a sixth of the world population right there, but you probably think the only real leftist party in India is four random contrarians from some split of a split so... 🤷‍♀️

      • Bread_In_Baltimore [he/him]
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        The criticisms that Indian, Vietnamese and Filipino Communists have are not the same that white radlibs have. They certainly wouldn't make the liberal argument that imprisoning a fucking Bloomberg journalist is bad lmao.

        With that said, the main Communist parties of basically every country in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Europe all support China and there isn't some Stalin-era comintern forcing their hands.

        • skollontai [any]
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          If you'd read the article, you'd know they didn't imprison a Bloomberg journalist, they imprisoned a Chinese national working as an assistant in Bloomberg's office. If they imprisoned an American who had the support of the embassy, that would seem much more like fair play to me.

          the main Communist parties of basically every country in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Europe all support China

          While (unlike you) I'm not willing to speak broadly about places I don't know much about, I do closely follow the politics of two countries in these regions, and in those two cases the pro-China left factions are a small part of a much larger ecosystem of left groups. I suspect there's some tautology to your thinking here--the only "communist" parties in these areas are the ones that support Chinese capitalism.

      • KiaKaha [he/him]
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        Didn’t the left in India split over Sino-Soviet? Have the pro-China side recanted since Reform and Opening Up?

        • skollontai [any]
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          My understanding is that the biggest split was during the war against China, over whether or not to support the Nehru government in the war. But the reason why pro-China splitters still have almost no support has more to do with them being associated with Naxalites and the continuing disputes between China and India. It's hard for our Foxconn friends to fathom, because they've convinced themselves China can't do imperialism, but many leftists in India consider China's imperial ambitions in India's smaller neighbors a threat, and are worried that Chinese companies operating in India will try to impose Chinese labor standards and make things even worse for workers in the Indian labor market.