Rookie move by China, they should have beaten up the journalists instead, like the US does
The new chapo chat comment genre of "taking bourgeois news reports severely lacking in details at the worst possible face value" is dog shit. You act like the american security state is above planting spies in news agencies.
Bloomberg journalists going to China to generate propaganda to justify the Imperialist aggression of the US are objectively bad and should be imprisoned. It isn't just because Chinese authorities did it. Chinese authorities aren't infallible and literally nobody is saying that. If China arrested a domestic LGBT activist with no links to imperialist NGOs, it would be bad. This, however, is good. China arresting Australian drug pushers is good. China executing billionaires for corruption and financial crimes is good.
I don't know if it's a good thing or not because I have no idea why they arrested her because this bourgeois news organization opted to leave that out. You're the dumbass who thinks that it must be bad because a news organization owned by a fucking slave state implied it was so. Do better.
Liberal universality is cringe. Evaluating things in a vacuum, devoid of context is useless. China arresting Amerikkkan propagandists is not the same as the US arresting Chinese propagandists, just like a black person calling a white person a cracker isn't the same as a white person calling a black person the n word.
Are you seriously arguing that BLOOMBERG NEWS isn’t a privately controlled bourgeois media outlet?
no no, you don't understand. The billionaire that tried to buy his way into the presidency is Good, Actually because uhhhhh
china bad
I mean the guy locked up most likely isn't a billionaire, but a pawn of which Bloomberg can afford 300 more so it isn't really an ownage as much as giving ammo to the propaganda machine, but whatever.
I would simply choose not be a pawn for a billionaire and a mouthpiece for the us state department. You act like this dude didn’t have a choice as to wether or not he could have gone to China lol
I act like China's way to prove to doubting westerners that they're not the evil dictatorship western media depicts them as is not jailing random journos, even if they work for satan themselves.
Who cares what doubting westerners think? China’s job isn’t to assuage your doubts chauvinist. They don’t even think about you.
It’s their job to protect their national security and their revolution from imperialist meddling, and they are doing it. Sorry that makes you sad :(
I mean you are the ones always saying criticizing China on the internet is bad because propaganda sites for some reason care about what leftists on the internet have to say about China.
It doesn't make me sad at all it's just a ridiculous contradiction.
Also "who cares what doubting westerners think" lol, this whole fucking thread is you caring about what doubting "westerners" think ffs.
"I shit my pants, yet you claim that shitting your pants is bad, curious"
I act like China’s way to prove to doubting westerners that they’re not the evil dictatorship western media depicts them
Western media will depict them as such, no matter what their position on arresting western propagandists is
Western media will depict them as such, no matter what their position on arresting western propagandists is
Yeah but it's different when they depict them as such citing shit they made up than when they actually do something that can be considered shitty by some.
Fair but I think your point is moot; the media already has most westerners believing the organ harvesting story when it's based on the say so of christian fundamentalist adrian zenz and the homophobic falun gong cult rather than concrete evidence, so telling the difference between 'shit they made up' and 'when they actually do something' is impossible for most
IMO at the end of the day all states are authoritarian, and all engage in reprehensible behaviors, however as a western leftist you have to decide if your energy is better spent combating the capitalist hegemony you inhabit, or in becoming a useful idiot for the elite and adding to their war drums against the only bulkward against neo-liberal world hegemony
MO at the end of the day all states are authoritarian, and all engage in reprehensible behaviors
Well i'll agree about that.
Oh look something flattening where I can pretend China is equally as evil as the world spanning capitalist empire. I can finally agree teehee!
The only people crying are you two. I'm perfectly content on my china shill website shilling for china. It's you that has a bug up your ass and bends over to appeal to neoliberals because you're a liberal cuck.
It’s a woman actually, you didn’t even read the article. China is bringing charges of national security against this person specifically, so it’s likely they have some evidence she is acting as an informant or spy.
Even if she wasn’t, I’m not morally opposed to arresting every single journo of all privately owned bourgeois media on Earth. It might be a questionable tactical move due to backlash, but I have no problems with it otherwise
They will find evidence, or not. Until then the campaign starts that they're jailing an "innocent" journalist. But we'll see.
It's gross as fuck. The death penalty thread today has almost 100% upvotes on the correct take (death penalty bad), but just a week ago one of the Foxconn troglodytes was telling me that China doing the death penalty was good actually, and they should be "killing more drug dealers" because most of them are "foreign whites." I wonder how that thread would have gone with the addition of "death penalty... in China."
The site feels like it's getting close to a death spiral into irrelevance since user engagement fell after the election. At the point where half the posts are just about defending every excess of Chinese capitalism, the site ceases to be a broad left space (or even a left space at all). People who think China is AES that needs to be defended at every turn are a fraction of a fraction of the left in the countries that make up Chapo's userbase.
a fraction of a fraction of the left in the countries that make up Chapo’s userbase.
But the vast majority of the global left
Lol, if it makes you feel better to think that, go for it man. I'd ask you for a citation, but I don't even know how you would go about quantifying this. I can tell you the left in India is pretty anti-China given the historical relationship, so that accounts for about a sixth of the world population right there, but you probably think the only real leftist party in India is four random contrarians from some split of a split so... 🤷♀️
The criticisms that Indian, Vietnamese and Filipino Communists have are not the same that white radlibs have. They certainly wouldn't make the liberal argument that imprisoning a fucking Bloomberg journalist is bad lmao.
With that said, the main Communist parties of basically every country in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Europe all support China and there isn't some Stalin-era comintern forcing their hands.
If you'd read the article, you'd know they didn't imprison a Bloomberg journalist, they imprisoned a Chinese national working as an assistant in Bloomberg's office. If they imprisoned an American who had the support of the embassy, that would seem much more like fair play to me.
the main Communist parties of basically every country in Africa, Latin America, the Middle East, and Europe all support China
While (unlike you) I'm not willing to speak broadly about places I don't know much about, I do closely follow the politics of two countries in these regions, and in those two cases the pro-China left factions are a small part of a much larger ecosystem of left groups. I suspect there's some tautology to your thinking here--the only "communist" parties in these areas are the ones that support Chinese capitalism.
Didn’t the left in India split over Sino-Soviet? Have the pro-China side recanted since Reform and Opening Up?
My understanding is that the biggest split was during the war against China, over whether or not to support the Nehru government in the war. But the reason why pro-China splitters still have almost no support has more to do with them being associated with Naxalites and the continuing disputes between China and India. It's hard for our Foxconn friends to fathom, because they've convinced themselves China can't do imperialism, but many leftists in India consider China's imperial ambitions in India's smaller neighbors a threat, and are worried that Chinese companies operating in India will try to impose Chinese labor standards and make things even worse for workers in the Indian labor market.
Lol, I love how basically exactly this topic came up in that r/blackwolffeed post that's currently top of Active and none of the big-brained teenaged pro-China propogandists in the Chapo thread are understanding that the site is doomed if posts making fun of it for being too pro China are getting +50 votes on blackwolffeed. Like, those people were the community on reddit.
I looked it up just because you mentioned it, it was a literal /r/neoliberal poster whinging about winnie the poo
God you are so optics cucked, you're bending over backwards to fit in with neolibs.
How about in the future, do yourself a favor, and preemptively shut the fuck up.
That shit was fucking hilarious. At this point then convinced these clowns are just /r/neoliberal wreckers.
Grill pill has just become a get out of being a dipshit card for you guys. Argue libshit earnestly and as soon as you get cornered and have no response, you emergency eject with “grill pill” or pigpoopballs. It’s so obvious how full of shit you libs are
