Source: https://lemmy.world/post/5094652
What zero political understanding does to mf'er. Russia only reoriented towards China after its attempts joining the west were brutally rebuffed.
Likely didn't want the risk of Russians looking too closely at China and triggering too many fond memories. China owes the people in ex-Soviet countries for the leg up. It was never a perfect relationship and things went sour before it could blossom. But the Soviets did help the Chinese and we're far enough in the future that mistakes can be overlooked in favour of focusing on the sentiment.
And now? Russian capitalists will try to avoid it. But one option is a relatively peaceful transition back to socialism for Russia. The longer Russia gets closer to China, the more likely this becomes as Russians see that (a) it's needed for self preservation and (b) the Chinese have resolved many of the problems that weakened the USSR. Meaning it's both necessary and viable. Due to the CPC's historic debt and the general internationalism of socialists, it probably won't be unhappy to facilitate any movement towards socialism in Russia.
If these are the conditions that lead to the Russian Federation going socialist, I welcome it. Not like my opinion matters.
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"joined the west as an equal partner"
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Shock therapy, isolation, and NATO expansion
Can't have both, libs, and your masters picked the latter. Now you cheerlead the people who dupe you.
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Putin literally asked for Russia to join NATO, more than once, and was rejected
You could've joined the west as an equal partner.
...Hey, remember Yeltsin?
LMAO I love how the new cope is going to be that Russia is being colonized by China. It's a pretty funny mask off moment since it's rooted in racism and the idea that Russia should obviously prefer to bend over for the western world order. It's also pure projection since westies can't even conceive of two countries having a mutually beneficial relationship where nobody gets exploited.
This last bit comes up in way too many of my conversations. Even ostensibly anti-imperialist decolonial types will throw in the idea that China is can only be acting in Africa because they are benefitting from it, so it isn't a positive development. Even the fact that African partners are getting genuinely important things out of these arrangements doesn't make the material difference between Chinese diplomacy and imperial extraction clear.
The unpleasant reality is, Russians, like the Chinese, have never, in all their long history, existed without authoritarian rule. Their people are culturally inured to it. They actively seek it. They’re broken, as a society, and only dissolving their society will cure them.
The libs are not ok.
"They have the authoritarian bone in their skulls, they thrive under the whip, those despotic asiatic hordes"
"Don't worry sweaty, I hate the government, not the people"
The unpleasant reality is
Russians, like the ChineseAmericans have never, in all their long history, existed without authoritarian rule. They are culturally inured to it. They actively seek it. They’re broken, as a society, and only dissolving their society will cure them.
true. That's the only kind of partnership the US understands. Look no further than their European "allies" since the proxy war started
In the seconds after this meme, Walter(Russia) proceeds to shoot and kill Mike(NATO).
I don't think the Libs thought this one through...
Also the Soviet Union was overjoyed at the thought of a Post-War continuation of the Allies, and because the fact that the entire West German leadership were Nazi's, they readily applied for NATO membership, in fact they were one of the first countries to do so. They thought they could avoid hostilities with the US, and prevent an arms race or possible WW3. When they were rejected, they somberly realized what was going on and quickly organized the Warsaw Pact.
The Soviets also offered on two separate occasions to reunify Germany and establish it as a neutral country outside either spheres of influence. This would include the withdrawal of all Soviet, American, French, and British assets and forces. This was soundly rejected.
Actual context in the original scene fits this scenario since Mike is putting the blame on Waltuh while this is what actually happened:
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It's sad lemmy has become a place for blatant reactionary propaganda. Who controls lemmy?
No. Your instance can stop viewing them by defederation for you can block the community though
Well that sucks. At this rate, their front page will become a racist far-right fest. We've seen this happen countless times on reddit.
It's one of the major pros and cons of Lemmy; will be interesting to watch how each instance changes
This meme only works if you assume that the west is benevolent and their "support" helps other nations, and that Russia never actively engaged with them diplomatically, and that China has some secret plan to control Russia or something.
I guess when you're a lib, your head is stuck so far up your own ass that you can't actually see the world for what it is so a meme like this would make sense to them.
Obviously 3 layers of interdependent conspiracy theories > reality
As a person in the Imperial Core, I still can't comprehend how backwards the logic is here that most Americans would read this meme and think it's grounded in reality. Even having been the kind of guy who would believe it once, I still don't understand.
I think it's just racist indoctrination to believe Russians are evil.
History literally starts with each rising of the zun and ends with each setting of the zun for these fucking worms doest it?
Russia literally tried lmao.
Liberals and being historically illiterate. Name a more common duo.
