mobile makes putting a nice one of these together hard so I just picked a photo on my phone hope you enjoy. Read theory sometime. Hope everyone in DC stays safe.

  • star_wraith [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I'm reminded of how Americans have no fucking clue what they're up against in China whenever the topic comes up amongst my IRL friends. They think 100% of China's rise is because they "stole" our manufacting and IT. So all we need to do is get our manufacturing back and lock down IP and we're good. Because America is so obviously greater than China and always will be...

      • vsaush [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Your enemy isn't China or the Chinese people, it's your shithead boss that only pays you if (hopefully) the Chinese manufacturers don't do the objectively smart and correct thing and "steal" tool IP.

        You and the Chinese workers at the factories have more in common with each other than you do with your boss, you should be excited that the Chinese people are profiting because it means the Imperial state is weakened.

        The international working class coming into a class of its own means that, most likely, people in the Imperial Core may have to make sacrifices like maybe having to look for another job every once in a while after their shitehead bosses throw a hissy fit and shut down the company because someone somewhere else did the objectively correct decision.

        So long as your horizon is only "it's them or me" you cannot call yourself a socialist, you must have an idea and vision that extends beyond you and your individual nation. It's only when you make the leap of accepting solidarity across international lines that you can become an actual socialist. No, this isn't easy, no it doesn't come naturally in the Imperial Core, but it has to be done or else we are fucking doomed and will doom this planet.

      • comi [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        You made this tool and they’ve copied it? So what?

          • comi [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Well, it’s fair enough to be angry about it, as it affects your living directly.

            But, hypothetically speaking, how long do you feel it’s fair for ip property rights to be enforced?

              • comi [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Oh, I see it. I asked you tangentially related question. Let’s say I’m an american company with a patent for, let’s say, hiv drug. Someone doing knock off of this drug and selling it.

                Do you think the feelings of the people inside that company would be significantly different from yours?

                  • comi [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    But that’s just reinforcing capitalism forever then. (You got paid for your labor in your check I assume).

                    Of course, systemically if one competitor just rips off intellectual labor of another (thus exploiting it), he will prevail every time :( what a mess, stupid private ip:(

                      • comi [he/him]
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                        4 years ago

                        Yeah, as I was writing I realized I was being somewhat heartless.

                        This self-perpetuating capitalist logic drives me up the wall, you cannot solve it without fucking people and their jobs over :(

                        Edit: but like at some point something got to give, be it either oil workers or insurance complaint filers, and it won’t land with them either

      • read_freire [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        My paycheck or theirs.

        watnvm read the follow-upnvm saw some other comments

        Ip is how you get paid for labor

        wat

        IP is how the boss seeks rent on your labor. By the time it's intellectual capital, you've been paid for your time producing it.

        To say otherwise is to buy into some sort of job creator propaganda bullshit. Until market collapse, there will always be another capitalist who will pay you for your time for the opportunity to make passive income on the fruit of your labor. Ignoring IP law is good praxis, full stop.

          • read_freire [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            you say 'china doesn't steal ip'

            Umm, no I didn't. They did steal ip, and it's good praxis.

            You are not the fortunes of your company. Go sell your labor to someone else.

            I mean I get where you're coming from. But I think the route is to redirect xenophobia or protectionist inclinations back to workplace grievances with the boss. IMO that's the real source of the resentment we're talking about anyway--the capitalists have managed to redirect it to foreign targets already (and produce solidarity/identification with the boss/company instead of other workers at the same time), but they're the ones that have cut hours, benefits and pay non-stop for the last 40 years.

            Same shit they've always done with labor, divide and conquer. In the west, that shit stopped when the Irish and italian miners working for different companies across town realized it wasn't the other that was the problem, it was the boss.