We will not forget the casualties, pain, and suffering that the Japanese imperialist regime imposed on the Chinese people. Any attempt to deny or cover-up this tragedy will be met with strongest condemnation.

  • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
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    Oh you're right, i firgot te japanese still had continental control.

    Still completely unnecessary. "Military command" was not united against surrendering. Many were actively trying to surrender, conditionally or not. The nukes could also been dropped in unpopulated areas, or coastal sea. The soviets were at most two months away from liberating manchuria and korea, who were already materially cut off from japan.

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      The soviets were at most two months away from liberating manchuria and korea, who were already materially cut off from japan.

      How many civilians in Manchuria would you consider is acceptable to be murdered/raped/tortured before you thought dropping the nukes was acceptable? Also materially cut off doesn't matter when they controlled so much of Manchuria that they could have kept themselves reasonably supplied just from those regions.

      Many were actively trying to surrender, conditionally or not

      I've not seen anything about Japan wanting to surrender unconditionally until after the second nuke. AFAIK they wanted to keep their overseas territories which would have meant a continued genocide.

      • No_Values [none/use name]
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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Japan#Rapes_by_U.S._forces

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              Wow you really showed me, here I was completely arguing in favour of rape and you just blew my argument apart. Good job.

                  • No_Values [none/use name]
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                    Nope, nukes were still the best of a bunch of bad choices.

                    [citation needed]

                    Years of fallout induced birth defects and rapes by occupying yankees was not the 'best of a bunch of bad choices.'

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                      Yeah, allowing the continued rape of Manchuria and then starving the civilian population of Japan, and then probably a land invasion with brutal urban warfare and anti-guerilla operations (because America always handles guerilla insurrections really well) would have been a much better option.

                      • No_Values [none/use name]
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                        Japanese leadership was on the verge of surrendering to the soviets, which would've ended the war in manchuria without the annihilation of the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

                        imo the JCP being in power would be infinitely preferable to the US rape occupation which continues to this day

                        I implore you to begin reading history from non-western/non-liberal sources

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                          Japanese leadership was on the verge of surrendering to the soviets

                          No they weren't. Maybe in Manchuria but certainly not mainland Japan, the Soviets didn't have the naval capability to launch an invasion of mainland Japan.

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                              For what? Soviet Naval capacity? Well there's Project Hula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Hula where the US had to provide naval vessels to the Soviets. Not to mention that even after that there was no guarantee that the Soviets would have been able to protect a naval invasion.

                              For the Japanese not wanting to surrender, they were refusing to surrender after the second nuke and threatened to overthrow the Emperor if he tried to surrender. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_incident