Greetings dear lemm.ee folks,
I have noticed an increasing number of lemm.ee users dissatisfied with Hexbearians. Reading through the modlogs on hexbear.net, I have observed truckloads of lemm.ee users being banned on hexbear.net, meaning that they won't see any Hexbearian's reply to them since Hexbearians aren't able to see their comments. Despite this, I have yet to see the complaints from lemm.ee die down. May I politely ask, what is it that makes so many lemm.ee users hate us? And, how can we improve? Thanks!
I humbly request that all parties involved in the comments refrain from using slurs or name-calling to reduce the workload on mods and admins.
This type of thread does not work. There are too many misunderstandings and wrong assumptions between users, people treat each other as enemies and the thread just devolves into a flame war. I expect this thread will need to be locked very soon.
I am 100% convinced that the negative image many Lemmy users have of Hexbear is completely wrong. These "hexbear discussion" posts are just a constant escalation, where more and more users mutually attack each other, and these attacks pull in further "neutral" users into the conflict, forcing them to "choose sides". It's completely unnecessary and in fact counterproductive - I am sure that in fact most of us want the same things, such as good living conditions for all humans globally, sustainable use of the planet's resources, etc.
I really hate seeing users get harassed on Lemmy, regardless of what instance they are registered on. I don't really know how to solve this constant drama and internet fighting (other than simply isolating users through defederation, which I'm not interested in doing), so if anybody has any ideas, please let me know.
Side-note: over the past few weeks, I have received several DMs from users directly attacking me for not defederating Hexbear. This instance is provided through volunteer effort, I am not planning to respond to feedback in the form of demands or attacks, so I am not responding to these DMs directly, but I will write a generic response here:
- Lemmy allows you to block users and communities
- Lemmy will soon also allow you to block instances
- You always have the option to switch to another instance with a different approach to federation, or start your own
yeah as much as I comment on stuff like this, it really doesn't go anywhere. I fundamentally do not understand where the intensity is coming from or why people are so upset
the only thing I know to recommend is that if a user is not having an enjoyable time online, or if they're still thinking about forum arguments for days/weeks, they should take a leave of absence from the internet entirely. Maybe it would be difficult but I think perhaps moderation should look for people who seem to be using these websites in an unhealthy way and send them a DM asking if they're ok. Ask them how their experience with the site is going and ask if they're becoming obsessive or find themselves often feeling angry or tense. If that's the case then the best thing is to recommend taking a break from being online for a while
Sunaurus, I respect your opinions deeply- hexbear is a problem. They are engaging in outright brigading and vote manipulation to push their desired political content to the top of our instance, overwhelming users here.
That being said I don’t want to defederate from them either
Brigading is when people comment on a post on their front page but I don't like their opinions. Someone has to do something about this!
Vote manipulation is when they are more popular than me.
Crying about "brigading" is the most Reddit thing one can possibly do
What am I supposed to do when I see political content I agree with? Am I supposed to avoid interacting with it? If I see something I find disagreeable, am I also supposed to ignore it? How am I supposed to interact with political content? We're not doing any kind of malicious manipulation. You make it sound like we're hackers unfairly using the website and that's not happening. We upvote things we see that we like. We can't downvote, since our admins disabled downvoting. We comment on political stuff we don't like.
Am I just not supposed to be here at all?
I like y'all. When I see @hexbear I know what I am about to read isn't going to be thinly veiled racism or capitalist bootlicking, while both less common on Lemmy than Reddit still do make their appearance. I like your bantz and images. Also special shoutout to the Disco poster.
Is there any reason to think it isn't rooted in the difference in political alignment? The very existence of such deep left thought is going to cause a lot of political stress on people not used to having their ideology challenged, be them centrist or even moderately left.
Personally I think it's healthy to be exposed to it but I think I'm in a minority here.
The war in Ukraine is also likely exasperating things.
Is there any reason to think it isn’t rooted in the difference in political alignment?
I saw a lot of shit from hexbear, and the issue rarely was political. Plenty of examples in this comment section.
Why does such a large portion of lemm.ee want to block hexbear.net?
Because they are cowards blinded by liberal ideology.
And, how can Hexberians improve?
We can improve by becoming even more hardline communist.
I kindly ask you to edit out the word coward in your comment. I hope that this thread stays unlocked for as long as possible. I also believe that words like these we often use do contribute partly to their hate.
I kindly ask that he keep it in. They are cowards and it is okay to call them that. That's a pretty tame and accurate insult.
Are you going to moderate the very civil poster in this thread calling people "insane" and "deluded" when people disagree with them?
you're absolutely right, but honestly, i think it is likely less of large portion, and more of just a very loud and obnoxious portion.
I try to engage everyone in good faith, but I'm also out of step with the majority of time zones on lemmy.
I'm not that scrappy. We don't have downvotes (which don't have notifications), so generally people reply instead (which do have notifications). The sincerity of any response is going to vary wildly. If I personally am going to respond to a post about Tiananmen Square or whatever, the initial poster is going to have to wade through a bunch of answers I will charitably call "tedious".
That said, if a certain sort of poster who trips some wire responds, or we get called something that implies you won't take us seriously (e.g. genocide denier is a more common one among others we'd consider on the left), why bother with civility or politeness? Even if you started to hear a doorknocker out, how quickly will your patience dry up when they start calling you a liar and a paid shill for inscrutable foreign agents?
we get called something that implies you won’t take us seriously (e.g. genocide denier is a more common one among others we’d consider on the left), why bother with civility or politeness?
Interesting you're commonly being called genocide deniers. I haven't seen a specific case yet, but I've seen the accusation frequently.
You seem to imply the accusation is not justified. But assuming this is case, you do note it is brought up frequently. You may also be aware that most other communities don't have that issue.
So if you are right and you are not genocide deniers, where is communication going wrong that others still frequently think you are? Maybe you can present your ideas in a way which is less misleading, to make yourself better understood. To help others to understand you better.
A common practice is to distance yourself from a bad thing for which you don't want to be mistaken. Inversely, the lack of such distancing can sometimes be seen as evidence for alignment with bad things.
If you're still with me, let's switch perspectives for a second. Assuming you realize you're talking with a genocide denier, which you despise very much. Would you care wether they deny genocide politely and with civility (if that last bit even makes sense)? I'd say you probably already lost the conversation if the other side thinks you're a genocide denier, and how much effort you put into being polite and 'civil' is meaningless at this point.
From my understanding, the term "genocide denier" correlates strongly with arguing in bad faith, and not taking things seriously. It seemed important to you that you are the opposite; arguing in good faith and you want to be taken seriously. Which highlights the importance of the first section of this comment. Help others understand easier and clearer who you are, or who you are not. If you are commonly misunderstood, it's probably worth questioning where things go wrong and how you can change how you are being perceived.
I personally avoid argument threads for the most part unless I have a dire social need, but not every conversation is necessarily about the Holodomor and Xinjiang (the two points of contention it seems).
I'd hope that everyone I talk to and take seriously is a denier of "White Genocide", the theory that white people are under threat of being bred out and marginalised in their own lands by the deliberate machinations of refugees and immigrants. In this rather gross example, we wouldn't refer to each other as genocide deniers.
After which point it becomes a discussion about what actually happened, what constitutes a genocide, whether that fits this legal definition or that etc. But the conversation never gets that far.
Personally I'm not super interested in relitigating this conversation every time a Chinese cop does something or a member of Azov sneezes. But if other people get something out of it, idk. Whatever. But it is a point of friction between our communities.
Ok first I'm gonna point out that I don't wanna re-litigate any of this and I'm not interested in conversation about the content, but rather how the conversations normally go. I'm honestly not an expert on this stuff and it's really tiring constantly talking about them. The main things that end up being fierce discussions right now are issues with China (namely Xinjiang and the 1989 Tienanmen square incident), and sometimes issues with the USSR (namely the 1930s Ukranian famines).
it seems like that no matter how much discussion is had on this stuff, nothing budges, no one comes away with different ideas and none of it matters. It always devolves down into shit-flinging, because the conversations themselves are proxies for current unresolved political contests. I don't think the historical content of the stuff even matters anymore. Furthermore even scholars on these subjects are divided. There isn't a consensus among historians on if the Soviet Union is responsible for genocide, there are nuanced stances on Tienanmen square, and there's a vast gulf of stances on how Xinjiang is talked about. And that's because it's all still part of the same proxy for political competition. These historical incidents are not yet resolved as unanimous because there is still an ongoing worldwide conflict between powers that could broadly be described as capitalist/western/wealthy and another set broadly described as socialist/unaffiliated/poor.
so even in civil spheres like international diplomacy and academics, talking about genocide or the nature of historical events can be highly politicized. There's also a lot to be said about admitting certain deaths occurred without ascribing certain political motivations to them. That seems to be a massive point of contention specifically. For instance, I might say that the events of Tienanmen square did occur, but the way they're talked about is misinformed or that the conflict is presented in an incorrect framework, which is the standard kind of Marxist view of the event. Liberal frameworks might say it was a conflict between value systems, between freedom and tyranny, whereas a Marxist might say something more like it was an event caused by social dissatisfaction with the Chinese market reforms started in the 70s, and this dissatisfaction came from both a working class socialist perspective and a more wealthy liberal perspective.
To some people this is unthinkable, to present it in a different framework is to deny accepted events entirely, and I don't think that's true. Scholars are constantly redrawing the frameworks for why events occurred, and all history is going to be seen differently by people of different class perspectives.
While I'm mostly neutral on Hexbear, I do have one significant issue with it: Your emojis show as giant images on other instances, and hexbear users seem to love using those emojis everywhere. I'd recommend using spoiler tags to hide them when posting to other communities until that's fixed.
Yeah we have taken to mostly using spoiler tags for them, but that is an issue that is being worked on and was only made apparent after federation. So it's not really our fault.
Also it's very funny when someone says something very stupid and is met with a giant picture of a pig shitting on its own balls.
Also also, we can't help that we have the best collection of emojis on the entire internet.
Also it’s very funny when someone says something very stupid and is met with a giant picture of a pig shitting on its own balls.
Ehh, most instances would reasonably call that out as trolling. PPB is the opposite of a good faith argument.
PPB is the opposite of a good faith argument.
We'll give the libs a "good faith argument" when we get one.
That usually does not happen though.
If everyone hates us, why have we gotten so many people loving us since the federation?
Because we don't meet bad faith arguments with good faith
You might want to look up the tolerance paradox
Because you see arguments where there are none and then shit all over the walls.
Because we know how to read subtext and are able to call it out
why would we give a good faith argument if we see someone saying something stupid? If I see someone saying something aggressively stupid, or they're being transphobic, racist, or whatever, why would I engage them as a serious person? At that point I just want to have a laugh because I don't respect them and have no faith they'll ever change unless subject to public embarrassment.
if someone approaches in good faith I'll talk with them but at a certain point you gotta realize some people enjoy being clueless and they deserve mockery until such point they decide they'd rather be more well-informed
There are people who say things like "I don't know what this is and would like to talk about it." That's not being stupid and shouldn't be mocked. That's good faith. Then there are people who go "I don't know what this is, but I'll act like an expert anyway and refuse to be corrected." That's aggressively stupid and doesn't deserve a respectful argument.
90% of the time when I attempt good faith argument with liberals, they almost immediately begin deflecting and pretending to be incompetent.
I still attempt it, but it's easy to see why it's probably better to just make fun of those people. Obviously honesty, knowledge, and good faith engagement means nothing to them.
The people most preoccupied with performative maturity seem to be the most immature ones of all.
Like, for example, you making a brand-new account with a 4chan edgelord "cuck" reference built right in just to scream at us here.
I didn’t have any direct interactions with “hexbearians” but I do see a lot of posts and comments by them.
Honestly, people from Hexbear do comment a lot more, and seem more ready to defend their position (which can sometimes lead to petty arguments), but I don’t really care - I can always just skip a few comments.
Your politics also don’t align with mine at all, but I still find a lot of posts on Hexbear communities interesting or funny, so I don’t see what the big deal is there either. I think people with differing political opinions only benefit by discussing and sharing knowledge.
I don’t see why people who want to block hexbear.net don’t just block some communities they don’t like and users they see commenting a lot.
Part of the reason we're more willing to defend our stances is the removal of our down vote button. We can't just downvote and move on, we can only speak up.
I don’t see why people who want to block hexbear.net don’t just block some communities they don’t like and users they see commenting a lot.
Since I recently joined this group of people who want to block hb, I reply. First, I'm not subscribed to any hb community, as far as I'm aware. So this option is unavailable to me. The issues I have happen in communities hosted on other instances, with hb users participating.
What bothers me is the way in which this participation happens. Sometimes the content (offensive, vulgar, dishonest), but mostly the way (edgy). I feel this negatively impacts the non-hb communities I'd like to participate in. Blocking specific users makes me not see them anymore, but it does not undo the damage they do to what I like. It's like looking away when a classmate is being bulied. Feels wrong.
And, how can we improve? Thanks!
I don't think the issue is so much on our end, also the bannings are coming from pre-emptively banning people for being casually bigoted in other posts in other instances I think.
It's a controversial measure but one I support. We have had to be more proactive in protecting our users from bigotry post-federation.
i hope I don't come across as too aggressive when I say all this, because I genuinely do like most of the interactions I've had on the extended lemmy-verse and I've been pleasantly engaged with a lot of folk here. hope we can stay federated and lots of y'all are cool as hell
So i'm personally biased here but I've noticed a lot of folk outside of Hexbear take internet discussion way, way too seriously. It's treated as if we're academics writing papers in an institution, or we're politicians being moderated in a debate. People get very, needlessly upset over frankly harmless personal insults, like being called stupid or childish or whatever. Outright bigotry and slurs shouldn't be used, of course, and that shit should get banned ruthlessly. But calling someone stupid or a baby? Or being shown an emoji of shit? Come on now, grow up. It's not something to think about for days or weeks afterwards. Go outside. It's not a big deal, it's just a web forum, it's not senate and nothing we're doing here is genuinely changing politics or the world by posting. It's just a forum to pass the time and relax. The most impact I've seen is when we do mutual aid like the recent indigenous fundraiser that comrade @Nakoichi@hexbear.net has been doing. Sometimes we'll add stuff to online discourse, but that's about it, but that's fine. It's not shameful to just be an internet forum.
It's very strange to me especially since I've been on the internet for decades now and just gotten used to it. People online will insult you, they often won't take you seriously, and they don't have to either unless they feel like it.
Maybe I'm an interloper in a specific kind of posting culture I was never involved with. I never posted on reddit at all, but nothing about my time on Hexbear has felt any different than the countless other forums or IRC channels I've been on in the past. But from comments around other instances, you'd think we're feral goblins spraying shit absolutely everywhere, only speaking in strings of random gibberish spam and death threats. You'd think we're some malicious group of hackers or a coordinated culture jamming effort rather than just...a bunch of disaffected leftists using an insular web-forum in a tale as old as the internet. The only real difference between hexbear and other forums I've been on have been: There are more users, there's more of a hardline ban on bigotry (transphobia, racism, etc), and it's stuck around for a lot longer and there's more of a chill, cooperative vibe.
The accusation of trolling and lying about our beliefs is the most confusing thing to me. Y'all don't think there are leftists out there? You think it's unthinkable to have genuine admiration for places like China or North Korea? Well there's a big wide world out there with people of every stripe, every single conceivable opinion is held by someone out there, and some stuff is a lot more popular than you'd expect. You don't have to respect Marxism or whatever, I don't honestly care, but you probably should admit that it's a real political ideology with real supporters in the world. Don't automatically assume someone is being dishonest or trolling just because they have a political stance that's inconceivable to you. Like I don't respect liberalism or fascism, but I do acknowledge there are a lot of liberals and fascists who are earnest in their views.
in any case I hope we can all stay federated because I do like that aspect of the internet, wide interactions with people who want to interact
For an illustrative example of why every sane person who has had contact with "hexbearians" is exasperated by them, just look at any comment made by a "hexbearian" in this thread. Y'all are delusional af, and combative to boot.
Everyone that disagrees with @bucho@lemmy.one is insane and deluded, a bedtime story for smug crybully liberals.
Fucking rich that you cry about "combativeness" when you lead with the above post.
Everyone that disagrees with @bucho@lemmy.one is insane and deluded, a bedtime story for smug crybully liberals.
Well, I didn't say that. You did. And I disagree with it. What I said is that "hexbearians" are generally delusional, and I feel pretty vindicated in that assessment by the many, many posts by them in this thread. As an example of delusion, you decided that you know enough about me to infer that I believe that everybody whose opinions differ from my own must be delusional, despite very little evidence to back that claim up.
Fucking rich that you cry about “combativeness” when you lead with the above post.
Pointing something out that is true is not crying. And yes. You're very combative.
Combative? That's how all the lemmitors get if you subject them to pronouns or criticize their treat consumption.
Ok. There's also several examples of the combativeness I described right here in this thread as well, if you'd care to look at the evidence I've cultivated.
This isn't reddit, so stop acting like a redditor. "I hAvE eViDenCe tHat peOplE calLeD oUt mY dIpsHitT bEhavIoR" doesn't fly here.
Put your big girl pants on, and deal with the fact that people are "combative".
This isn’t reddit, so stop acting like a redditor.
I get that that seems like a cut and dried definition in your mind, but it doesn't to the rest of us. Could you explain it better? What does a redditor act like, and how is that not appropriate?
Put your big girl pants on, and deal with the fact that people are “combative”
I'm replying to you aren't I? I haven't blocked you, which I could very easily do. I'm attempting to treat you as an adult, though you are very adamantly insisting on not acting like one. So, tell me - how is my behavior running counter to your idea of "dealing with combative people"?
I mean I still don't see anything that bad here, since federation with the rest of lemmy I've had more transphobic shit in my inbox more than in literal years.
Ok, well... I'm not a transphobe. And ideologically speaking, I think that you and I would probably share many of the same beliefs.
Despite that, you can see the responses to my posts here from some of the... louder members of your community. These people represent you. They are why several instances have defederated from hexbear. So... that's the combativeness I'm describing.
So... that's the combativeness I'm describing.
You came in here passive-aggressively claiming that all the "sane" people are against Hexbear and that the people of Hexbear were "deluded" because they didn't agree with you.
You're just another ableist crybully. One of you shows up, like, daily.
I would agree with you, except you and several of your confederates have shown up to provide ample evidence supporting my thesis. So I think that means I'm probably right. We all agree that you lot are delusional and combative.
We all agree that you lot are delusional
You're conjuring up a complete-agreement consensus of everyone unspoken for all agreeing with you that your perceived political enemies are universally delusional. Irony meters are exploding everywhere.
Yes, we over on Hexbear are beholden to combatting liberalism, reactionaries, racism, transphobia, apologia for cops, landlords, imperialism, capitalism, etc.
If this makes you uncomfortable that is your problem.
whipping up some post science in the post lab. call that a post doctorate
The pattern I observe is people rolling up and being intentionally shitty to try to provoke a response- you even said as much in another post.
If people are operating in bad faith have no issue with people dunking on them.
I'm a communist, I'm used to liberals reacting with horror and stigma to opinions I have. That's honestly what makes a lot of the hexbear complaint threads so interesting.
I'll go into to other lemmies where people are so offended and look at what they posted and it's usually vile shit that deserved scorn.
In this thread, one of the members from hexbear asked why people are defederating from them. I answered, and your fellow "hexbearians" were kind enough to chime in in response to my post providing an incredible amount of evidence backing up my answer.
While most normal people would see a post like mine and just move past it, I've gotten probably about 20 - 25 responses from angry tankies filling up my inbox. And none of them have made anything resembling a point so far.
It's literally a meta post about us and you are somehow shocked that we show up to explain/defend ourselves?
How does this prove anything you have asserted?
If anything it proves how wrong you are.
I mean it's a post with our instance name in it, makes sense people show up. I'm here because it showed up in my feed and I legit don't understand how people get offended so easily
https://hexbear.net/comment/3961208 they were brought in on the drama, they'll be taken out on the drama. it doesn't matter
Combative is when I criticize you and you reply.
Checkmate, commies.
I'm sorry that the emoji hurt your feelings, I hope you don't have to read any more scary opinions on an online forum anytime soon
Again, an incredibly illustrative example of someone who is both delusional and combative. Thank you for your contribution to my presentation.
... Ok. You've already contributed several times to the "delusional" pile of evidence, but more is always appreciated, I suppose. Thank you for your eagerness.
Everyone that disagrees with @bucho@lemmy.one is insane and deluded, a bedtime story for smug crybully liberals.
Are you trying to sell the above mentioned children's book? You're certainly promoting it by portraying its main character: you.
Piss in pants.
Seriously though, you are the one saying that we are not "sane" because we don't believe in your liberal delusions.
That is some nazi shit. Fuck all the way off.
Seriously though, you are the one saying that we are not “sane” because we don’t believe in your liberal delusions.
That is some nazi shit.
See - this is a perfect illustration of the "delusional" aspect I mentioned. You are so far up your own backside that you believe everybody who doesn't believe the specific set of things you do are nazis, or reminiscent of same. It's why no sane, rational person should ever take you seriously.
I applaud you, actually. You jumped to provide concrete examples backing up my thesis immediately. Super bro move of you.
"Anyone who disagrees with me must be insane"
You know that people were put in death camps for this in nazi Germany, right?
Fuck off.
That's a mighty big leap there, skipper. The nazis also occasionally paved roads. Does that mean that all DoT workers are secretly nazis, too?
The nazis also occasionally paved roads
You just voluntarily dropped the mask to pull a Boogie1488.
You went out of your way to try to make excuses for nazis when no one asked.
Ok, so I guess we can add "poor reading comprehension" to the list.
I did not make excuses for nazis. The person that I was responding to made an incredibly slippery slope argument, and I was using hyperbole to point that out. If you don't understand that, I suggest you take a remedial class in English at your local community college.
I did not make excuses for nazis.
You did, no matter how you want to dodge that. You even selectively ignored how many of those roads were made by slave labor that was worked to death by conjuring smol bean innocent not-nazi workers under the Reich when no one asked for that and you came up with it unprompted.
I suggest you take a remedial class in English at your local community college
Is it even possible for you to even start to communicate without sounding fart-huffingly pompous?
I've seen that in a lot of threads, and there never really seems to be a common definition for what that actually means. Could you enlighten the class?
So, does that mean that you cannot articulate an answer, or just that you don't choose to?
Oh yeah next you gonna tell me about how Mussolini made the trains run on time?
You are really digging the hole deeper here.
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either you only interact with instances completely defederated from us, or you've only ever had comments removed from this post
You literally cannot make a critique of anyone you disagree with without resorting to ableism.
Fuck off.
”They’re combative” Insults our beloved mods for no reason
Uh-huh. Such decorum. Much good faith.
No, I had very good reason to insult them. If you would like to know my reasons, I'm more than happy to discuss it.
Nah, your weird attempts at persuasion via stilted language and false objectivity are real fuckin tiring already and I just joined this conversation.
Try your bullshit concern trolling on someone else ❤️
Nah, your weird attempts at persuasion via stilted language
I'm not sure you know what the word "stilted" means.
are real fuckin tiring already and I just joined this conversation.
Ok. Well, you're under no obligation to post. Thank you for your contribution, though.
stilt·ed /ˈstiltəd/ adjective
(of a manner of talking or writing) stiff and self-conscious or unnatural.
(Psst, it has nothing to do with stilts)
they had suffered brain damage as a child
Surely if they had suffered brain damage as a child, that means they are worthy of contempt, scorn, and ridicule by default according to your not-a-nazi nazi talking points. What would you have done with them? Put them in camps?
y'all are also generally crybabies to boot
You've been crying about combativeness since you came in here to accuse everyone on Hexbear of insanity and delusions. Which, again, totally not nazi talking points to imply that anyone with mental illness is a fundamentally bad and unworthy person, unlike you.
Hexbear has a powerful immune system designed to target bigots. Sometimes that immune system sees a threat where there isn't one. Veteran Hexbears have either learned how to avoid being seen as a target or have learned to endure it when it happens, and as much as we may regret false positives, we also recognize the value in purging legitimate targets.
Some people hate the immune system because they're false positives, but a lot of people hate it because they are the legitimate targets - and generally they were always going to hate us regardless. Then there are those who haven't been targeted but just don't like the idea of an immune system on principle, the free speech centrists and tone police who see us an indistinguishable from 4chan (kinda telling on themselves that their main problem with 4chan is the rudeness, not the bigotry).
We'll always have a solid core of haters who we also hate who's concerns we don't care about. I've lost track of the number of times someone's whined about us being too harsh only for it to come out that they said some nasty shit about the homeless or something. For the rest it's a matter of convincing them of the advantages of the immune system and communicating how to avoid becoming a false positive, while making sure to double check targets on our end.
I’ve noticed users in hexbear go so far to “target bigots” that they’re just assholes to the vast majority of people outside of hexbear.
Well, some of those are actual bigots and some of them are false positives
I’ll give you my own personal reason. I've had to literally change instance because I had the misfortune to disagree with some of them. It was a political conversation and the level of hate and trolling was the most toxic I've seen on Lemmy. The amount of messages and replies that attacked me and/or mocked me was enough for me to made me painfully aware overnight of what hexbear is simply because all the attacks/trolling was obviously from the same instance.
There was (and in my opinion still is) no point in seeing their answers since a great amount of their replies were just pictures or gifs of things like the butthole of a pig, literal shit and things of that caliber. Additionally, every posts or discussion that talks about them, inevitably draws their attention and they start to spam the same kind of stuff, relishing in the idea that they are hated, simply replying with things like "cope, seethe, rent free etc".
I've also personally blocked all the instances from hexbear I could and a lot of users from there because I don't come to Lemmy to be called fascist or to try to have conversations with trolls.
Personally, I can't see anything that could help in change the culture when the people at the top AND the people at the bottom don't seem to have any interest in changing. I definetly give props to people like you for trying to change it and I'm sorry you get bunched up with less pleasant users, but I'm here to look at photos of pets, talking about plants and books and other silly things that don't deserve that level of hate. I certainly want nothing to do with it.
That was my personal view and experience. Hope it helped with your questions
What exactly was the disagreement? The context sort of matters here.
"Political disagreement" could be something mild or tame or it could also be like "I don't like seeing homeless people or people on drugs and my proposed solutions are locking them up or worse"
"lmao you got that mad about being called a little baby for being a little baby? Grow thicker skin or learn to self crit ffs."
Seeing your replies, I highly doubt anything anyone could say to you would not warrant a personal attack. You clearly like to think of yourself as someone who's open and willing to debate since you wrote:
"I choose to interact with these types in a more interrogative manner"
But you're not. You're just waiting in bad faith for extra ammunition to call people baby, fascist, or people unworthy of having opinions . You don't even know my political leanings, but just because I'm not a part of your group, that's reason enough for you (and other people of that instance) to pile on and mercilessly troll on other users.
I’ll stop interacting with people like you now. I moved to an instance which is defederated from hexbear for a reason, and I'm never been happier of my choice after talking to you and your friends. Have the day you all deserve.
I never said people disagreeing with me is trolling. I'm quite aware of what trolling actually is. And I find interesting how that "people disagreeing with you is not trolling" line gets said so often by people of that instance. Trolling is trolling.
to save us all the time, we had this discussion a month ago, in which is OPs first interaction with our instance.
This post feels like bait tbh
just realized the irony of "save us all the time" and linking a 500 comment post. My bad, just meant to say this is old news and feels like cheap drama
It's because we're loud, incredibly active, argumentative, and most importantly we are generally speaking unified. Yes there are differences, but compare the pushback when a hexbear posts something pro-china vs when someone else posts something anti-china. We'll get maybe 2-3 responses, all of which will immediately get dogpiled anyway. They'll get 10 of us. We also all upvote the takes we all agree on, so much so that it looks like vote manipulation. No other group on the fediverse has that type of unity, even if they broadly agree with each other.
Also the giant emojis probably don't help lol.
I think this sums it up pretty well. We have a sort of organic party line and a tendency to back each other up when we see folks in the posting trenches.
Really it's just solidarity forged out of years of being assailed on all sides by liberals and fascists.
If any critique I would level against our community is that occasionally this siege mentality can result in friendly fire, but most often those instances get cleared up pretty quickly since we also take self-crit very seriously.
I choose to interact with these types in a more interrogative manner. But I can't blame you for choosing violence first.
@comr@hexbear.net
A perfect example of everything that people hate about the hexbear instance. Hope this answer your questions
lmao you got that mad about being called a little baby for being a little baby?
Grow thicker skin or learn to self crit ffs.
it was never on.
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains."
We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
What do you mean "us"?
You joined three weeks ago, we all see that you're a wrecker.
Why were you called a fascist? Almost everyone I know on hexbear who uses that term knows what it means and the implications of it. So why were you called that?
Fixing emote scaling would make it less jarring to see them out in the wild. The ppb moratorium has cleaned up threads a lot and hope it continues. Honestly at this point, I'm more annoyed by posts about hexbear/defederation than I am about the instance, especially people who have made it their entire personality to campaign for censoring it from lemmy entirely.
I've been with hexbear since the days of r/chapotraphouse so I've seen the site at its best and worst.
The main issue imo is that hexbear has a very "vibe-based" culture. What is correct in any given post is less a question of truth and more a question of what the first few commenters opinions on the matter were. You can be flamed for opinions in one thread but then have those opinions widely accepted a week later because the vibe was different that day. Hexbear is far too focused on dunking libs that discussion becomes a way to blow off steam rather than actually understand something.
They're still better imo than most of lemmy though. At least I don't have to re-defend my first principles of "nazis bad" every post. But sometimes you do get flamed for reasonable opinions because the post had different vibes. You go to hexbear because you want to talk about politics but you stay because you find it cozy. Anyone who cares about the politics surrounding Hexbear is going to have a bad time.
