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Not vegan yet or unsure about how to make the transition? This is the place where you can chat, debate, and ask questions of your local lefty vegans.

Vegan diet why's and how's

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  • Gay_Wrath [fae/faer]
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    4 years ago

    Hello comrades, have you bullied an omni today?

    Unironically though people hate me more for being vegan than they do for me defending China lmao. Trying to gently goad my friends into trying Veganuary (not even really going vegan!!!!) and i just get excuses and people being weird to me for just saying it's Good and I'd help them. Sorry i made you think about the harms your actions are causing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    • raven [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      What if we did veganuary, but every month 👉 👈 😳

  • warped_fungus [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Last night I was tripping acid with two vegetarian friends and one of them made us some lemon echinacea tea. She asked me if I wanted any honey, and I told her no thank you, this tea is pretty sweet on its own anyway. But she kept insisting, eager about all her different local organic honeys, I had to kinda whisper uh honey isn't vegan and we cracked up realizing I was trying not to be THAT vegan. It was a good time overall, we went to Loving Hut and had some deep philosophical discussions. Her omni boyfriend admitted he was vegan-curious as he listened in. Good times, sowing seeds.

  • qublics [they/them,she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I have written this comment / self-reply in another thread, was kinda late, but suppose it fits here too.
    Would really like to hear China understanders or other vegans thoughts on this. Preferably reply here.

    copied post for convenience, but see other thread for context

    China is still so bad on animal rights issues though, specifically the scale of chicken farming, that is the only issue where I have severe cognitive dissonance about supporting the CCP.
    https://ourworldindata.org/meat-production

    just uuuuuggghhhhh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOGm3mRZuaI
    I know this is dark as fuck but I hope they are genetically engineering or breeding for more brain-dead and senseless chickens or something.
    Or vibrating the cages so chickens are cumming all the time. lmao. Have you ever read a comment so utilitarianism-pilled? >_<

    I do remember they were doing genetic engineering with pigs for whatever reason, but have not looked into that in years.

    their propaganda is on point though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWjYLYulALs
    And their deliberate use of birds against insect pests is really cool.
    At least they learned from that whole sparrow thing.

    https://www.dw.com/en/china-says-sending-locust-eating-duck-army-to-pakistan-actually-not-the-best-idea/a-52559122
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8356921/China-trains-army-of-messenger-pigeons.html

    support PETA Asia please, their work is extremely important.
    https://www.petaasia.cn/features/joaquin_phoenix_change_the_world_from_kichen_vegan_peta_ad

    I do not honestly believe factory farms in China are much better.
    I certainly would like to, but even good examples cannot prove that more/most/all of them are.
    Humans can often report being abused, but animals cannot.

    various EU countries have been pushing towards continuous surveillance in animal farming.
    it would not be good for China to get left behind on these issues.

    just look at the extent to which animal rights got involved with Brexit politics:
    https://www.fastcompany.com/90543095/american-chickens-covered-in-chlorine-have-become-a-hot-button-brexit-issue-in-britain

    Further tangent...
    This is a weird idea, but I wonder if trance music and disco lights would have any effect on chicken well-being.
    Raising chickens for food has an odd contradiction: more movement burns calories, but also improves muscles and meat quality.
    I just hope China is investing the massive amount of money into meat replacement R&D that the problem deserves.

    Things are moving at least:
    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/China-s-alternative-meat-market-finds-new-suppliers-TLR1kYGS64/index.html

    What people seem to forget about meat replacements though, and basically all advanced replacement foods, is they can optimize for taste, satiety, and nutrition in ways that are incredibly difficult with animal products.
    Under capitalism they just end up optimizing for profit and addictiveness instead. Processed and fast-foods are not bad, it just depends on who is designing them and to what ends.

    (to any Chinese comrades, sorry if 'they' is kinda othering/western but don't want to take credit for anything I am not responsible for; maybe China should declare a national neopronoun, lmao what could go wrong?)

    debate me nerds! <3

  • mine [she/her,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    this week was just so fucking long. i'm glad it's over. oh wait tomorrow's monday. fuuuuuuuck

  • Dan [they/them,undecided]
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    4 years ago

    So I'm slowly making my way to veganism (a bit hard cause of an eating disorder), but one of my interests lately has been in sustainable agriculture. I'm wondering about the ethics of beekeeping and the resulting honey. I feel like I'd need some solution to pollination regardless, so it seems like a reasonable thing to look into. Do bees used in harvesting honey produce a surplus of it, or, more generally, is there any harm to them in the process of honey collection? Similarly, I remember hearing once about how domesticated sheep need to be shaved for their well-being anyway, so what is the ethics of using wool or similar materials?

    • Lord_ofThe_FLIES [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Do bees used in harvesting honey produce a surplus of it

      No, the honey is needed to feed the bees during winter. It's stolen and replaced with sugar syrup. A bunch of bees are usually crushed every time the honey is harvested. Additionally, domesticated honey bees are an invasive species competing for resources with natice bees.

      Yes, sheep have been bred to produce too much wool, meaning they will die if they are not shaved. As Chamomille puts it in another thread, Veganism is not a diet. Veganism is about animal liberation. Breeding sheep for wool is unethical, if I were to care for a sheep I'd have to shave them but wouldn't use their wool because it's not mine to use.

      Does that answer your questions? If you need help with recipes adapted to your eating requirements we might be able to help