Like sure snakes look nice but i would be really fucked up if i had to give it a living or dead rat every half a week or so. Only reason im not vegan is cos of that thin layer of separation between what i eat and the animal it came from, so i dont feel awful everytime i eat, do yall not feel any of that?

  • Mehrunes_Laser [comrade/them, any]
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    My third grade science teacher had an eastern racer that she would feed live mice to during class (with parent approval). I never found it disturbing because it was properly explained. Sure it's violent, and little mice are cute. But life, and death, are both natural and violent.

    The unnatural part is caging a snake to keep as a pet. The snake eating a mouse is the natural part.

    🤷🏻‍♂️ Your own sensitivities to that sort of thing are fine, and honestly expected. But snakes, and most animals, don't share them. So don't expect a snake to care about a mouse. It's delicious sushi to them.

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      The unnatural part is caging a snake to keep as a pet. The snake eating a mouse is the natural part.

      It's also unnatural to:

      • Feed the snake a fully domesticated animal (which store bought mice and rats are)
      • Drop an animal directly next to the snake (which stresses it out), instead of having it hunt and stalk its prey
      • Feed inside a small enclosure in which the prey has zero chance of escape. The majority of predation attempts in the wild end in failure.

      If true nature was the goal anyway, then you would be feeding your pets dirty pond water. So why not feed pre-killed, like the experts recommend? http://www.anapsid.org/prekill.html

      I dislike the people who choose to do like your science teacher because they're motivated by a desire to see a "cool show", but then they hide behind the defense of nature if someone questions the animal welfare of the prey (for which they are also responsible).

      • Mehrunes_Laser [comrade/them, any]
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        I fully agree actually. I wasn't trying to defend it, and your point is exactly what I meant with those two sentences. I don't think the snake should be kept as a pet at all.

    • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
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      i mean sure i guess but i would be fucked up to see the sort of "life and death" deal at school normalized (yes i know it's already normal). also i dont really give a shit about the snake being bad, but about the mouse getting digested alive and shit. (CW horrible violence) i once saw a video of a komodo dragon biting a pregnant deer open and eating the very developed baby deer whole, and i just dont understand how yall dont see nature as this horrible macabre thing.

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        Like I said, your own sensitivities are expected. But that's what happens in nature. It's fuckin brutal and hella fuckin metal. I recognize it as macabre, but I also recognize and embrace my own mortality. Life, and death, are both equally important, and two sides of the same coin.

        "If you constantly run from death, you'll never really live." - My great Grandpa

        I promise you, if it came right down to it, you'd kill a mouse and eat it too. Survival is a hell of a thing, and hunger is a powerful drug. And it's the only drug that snake knows.

        I guess part of it might be because I come from a very rural area, and the realities of life and death were very close to the surface. The nearest hospital was an hour away, so help wasn't always coming. And from an early age I was taught to appreciate and respect both sides of the coin.

        • Katieushka [they/them,she/her]
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          stop talking about the snake being bad and me recognizing myself with it as if i could change that!!! i feel bad for the mouse!!! i'd be scared to my bones if i knew that animals would come around and kill me any day of the week by suffucating me and liquefying me.