Say, for the sake of argument, that there's irrefutable proof of some card-carrying antifa supersoldier beating up an innocent old lady. That would be terrible, and random violence against an innocent person should be condemned, but what would it really change?
It wouldn't make confronting fascists on the streets any less of a good idea. It wouldn't make violence against fascists any less justifiable. It wouldn't make antifa some horrible movement, because given a large enough group you'll always have incidents of random crime. It wouldn't change the fact that any even semi-serious look at the threat of domestic terrorism shows that the threat comes overwhelmingly from the right. It wouldn't change anything about how society should be structured, and it wouldn't change anything about how society is structured now.
Don't even entertain right wingers or concern trolling libs when they want to spend the day litigating the facts of some shaky phone video. Set the bar at "is antifa pursuing some justifiable political goal, or is pretty much all of this just mindless violence?" They never set the bar there, where it should be, because the answer is obvious and it's not what they want.
I don't remember where it happened, but one time a store was getting looted and an old lady in a mobility scooter parked in front of the door and tried to stop people from rushing by. She cut someone with a kitchen knife then got beat to shit by the crowd. It was brutal, but she deserved it.
In Portland, a black bloc guy body blocked an old lady (who came to show support for blm) from putting out a trash can fire, and another old lady stood at the very front and got paint splashed on her. Not exactly what I would call an attack, but you know, people see what they want on the internet
meanwhile, proud soys out there shanking people on the streets, not to mention the numerous right wing terrorist attacks during trumps administration and not a peep about that from people like this. Really filters out the bad faith actors.
the real question is how any of the libs on there could read that comment and not see that
Internet Nazis have spent decades discussing how to spread their ideas while "hiding their power level." They recognize -- correctly -- that it's easier to persuade people when you avoid heavily politicized terms and don't appear too radical. They've figured out that bringing people to their side is a long pipeline, and that the immediate goal is to move the target just one step closer to them.
Frankly, it's a communications strategy we could learn a lot from. There's a reason (besides just the feds) that openly-fascist political parties (and openly-Marxist parties, too) stay insignificant while fascism (and socialism) have gained traction in the political mainstream. It's hard to square "most Americans just want to grill" and "most Americans don't vote" with "I can sell Americans on openly-radical politics."
Even if you buy that Ukranians suffered under Stalin and thought the enemy of their enemy was their friend, nothing stops modern Ukraine from saying "It was a mistake but made sense in hindsight" and like not erecting a bunch of statues valorising SS officers.
I'm sure everyone would understand if they swept that part of their history under the rug and never talked about it...
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I think the best answer is "it doesn't matter."
Say, for the sake of argument, that there's irrefutable proof of some card-carrying antifa supersoldier beating up an innocent old lady. That would be terrible, and random violence against an innocent person should be condemned, but what would it really change?
It wouldn't make confronting fascists on the streets any less of a good idea. It wouldn't make violence against fascists any less justifiable. It wouldn't make antifa some horrible movement, because given a large enough group you'll always have incidents of random crime. It wouldn't change the fact that any even semi-serious look at the threat of domestic terrorism shows that the threat comes overwhelmingly from the right. It wouldn't change anything about how society should be structured, and it wouldn't change anything about how society is structured now.
Don't even entertain right wingers or concern trolling libs when they want to spend the day litigating the facts of some shaky phone video. Set the bar at "is antifa pursuing some justifiable political goal, or is pretty much all of this just mindless violence?" They never set the bar there, where it should be, because the answer is obvious and it's not what they want.
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I don't remember where it happened, but one time a store was getting looted and an old lady in a mobility scooter parked in front of the door and tried to stop people from rushing by. She cut someone with a kitchen knife then got beat to shit by the crowd. It was brutal, but she deserved it.
She was only like 30. Unfortunately for her.
In Portland, a black bloc guy body blocked an old lady (who came to show support for blm) from putting out a trash can fire, and another old lady stood at the very front and got paint splashed on her. Not exactly what I would call an attack, but you know, people see what they want on the internet
meanwhile, proud soys out there shanking people on the streets, not to mention the numerous right wing terrorist attacks during trumps administration and not a peep about that from people like this. Really filters out the bad faith actors.
Anyone who uses the term "multicultural agenda" is almost certainly a racist af alt-right shithead.
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The starting and ending point is this guy saying there's a "very good reason" to be a Nazi
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it's very obviously cryptofash in its most pure form
the real question is how any of the libs on there could read that comment and not see that
Internet Nazis have spent decades discussing how to spread their ideas while "hiding their power level." They recognize -- correctly -- that it's easier to persuade people when you avoid heavily politicized terms and don't appear too radical. They've figured out that bringing people to their side is a long pipeline, and that the immediate goal is to move the target just one step closer to them.
Frankly, it's a communications strategy we could learn a lot from. There's a reason (besides just the feds) that openly-fascist political parties (and openly-Marxist parties, too) stay insignificant while fascism (and socialism) have gained traction in the political mainstream. It's hard to square "most Americans just want to grill" and "most Americans don't vote" with "I can sell Americans on openly-radical politics."
Even if you buy that Ukranians suffered under Stalin and thought the enemy of their enemy was their friend, nothing stops modern Ukraine from saying "It was a mistake but made sense in hindsight" and like not erecting a bunch of statues valorising SS officers.
I'm sure everyone would understand if they swept that part of their history under the rug and never talked about it...