heres how I know; vietnam & australia didn't need the vaccine to do it, so whatever it is that caused the US to not be able to deal with the pandemic without the vaccine is also gonna make the US be unable to deal with the pandemic with the vaccine.
The lack of the vaccine isn't the problem, corruption is. It isn't a tech problem, it's a governance problem. The US is gonna have COVID for ever.
PS, the exact same thing applies for climate change. Ppl be like "oh climate change will be fixed once we invent the right tech". The thing is, we already have the tech to end climate change, we're just ruled by ppl who don't want to. We're fucked, and we're fucked forever, stop waiting for the ghost of albert einstein to solve your problems for you with a glass vial & recognize that anyone who tells you to is the enemy
This doesn't make sense. The only way this can make sense is if for whatever reason the US ends up not vaccinating most of the population. Same with the climate change analogy (which really isn't very good because really, we don't even have the tech to end climate change even if governments were actually trying, unless we started changing what is produced for what reason and how it is distributed.
I don't see a good reason why the US would avoid vaccinating most of the population. Apparently the first 100M doses will be free, and after that it's gonna be 20 dollars, hardly a price that would make it impossible for most (not all) in the US to buy. It just doesn't make sense why they wouldn't take the least abrasive measure possible to end the pandemic and make people confident enough to start spending again as well as avoid a major issue with workers being unable to work due to sickness and healthcare costs.
A few problems are the logistical nightmare of distributing the Pfizer vaccines. But there's also the Moderna vaccines, which don't require -70 degrees to be stored. It's still gonna be hard, but for a country like the US (as opposed to somewhere in the third world), it's not really an insurmountable hurdle, and it's gonna be more of a delay rather than a brick wall. Also bear in mind that so far it's just the US and UK that have administered many doses, it is the other countries that are lagging behind and really, the main victim here will be the third world (as always), since it is them that completely lack adequate infrastructure to administer the vaccines and power to buy them.
You can't just take completely different issues and just say "oh the outcome is gonna be exactly the same regardless of the fundamental difference between the issues". This forum has kind of an issue with very hyperbolic predictions. I'm also reminded of all the posts about the post election chaos, collapse, mass terrorism, a coup, and the stuff urging people to leave the country, when it just turned out to be... Not much different to just any other election.
The part that's gonna actually be shitty though is all the people pretending they've been vaccinated to ignore precautions.
yes we do. What do you think green energy is?? If we invested in green energy the way we invest in fossil fuels climate change would be the thing of speculative fiction. There are already whole ass countries that are carbon neutral, kill the liberal in your head who insists that better things aren't possible & we have to just sit on our hands and wait for a scientist to invent a solution to the problem when we've had the solution for a long time & just keep electing people who don't want to solve the problem
Something that doesn't instantly solve climate change, because extracting and processing all the resources required to make the switch is still extremely damaging, and will still not solve the CO2 emissions because of transportation problems.
Ah, yes, small and extremely rich northern European countries occasionally with the luxury of having geothermal energy, that pretend they are super green while simultaneously extract tons of oil (looking at you, Norway). For all their posturing, some of these countries (particularly Iceland and Norway) are actually very comparable to the US in terms of per capita emissions. It's really quite shitty. The green posturing of some EU countries is such a joke when they wag their fingers at countries poorer or more "evil" in the mind of Europeans than them despite the fact that they have less emissions per capita than them in the same breath.
You're the one who seems to think that the solution to climate change is technological lol, the difference is that you seem to think the technology is already there, whereas the truth is that it's not here and it won't be here any time soon, if nothing changes in the overall structure of the economy and consumption patterns. I never said better things aren't possible, shifting to green energy will definitely be better and a good first step but it really isn't an end all be all solution, deeper changes have to happen.
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at the current rate the US wont be vaccinated for 7 years https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/americas-vaccine-rollout-disaster.html
Yeah it makes no sense. The other countries are able to handle it with staying home and wearing masks, we need a vaccine. That's the thing stopping is from fixing it. We aren't supporting people to stay home, and we're coughing on each other recreationally.
At this point, most heavily affected countries need a vaccine. It's not just the US. Even countries that did well during the first wave fucked up during the second, and the ones that didn't fuck up during the second wave will probably fuck up during the third, or the fourth, or whatever if vaccines aren't out.
Yeah but the vaccines are apparently really effective, and most people will take it
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I think more people will start taking it once they start hearing about people they personally know taking it.
The main thing some worry about is people getting the first dose, experiencing some side effects, getting spooked, and then skipping on the next dose.