we have no problem with transphobia on this site. nope, not at all.

CW: transphobia, misogyny, israel apologia, and mindbreaking nonsense:

https://hexbear.net/post/65674/comment/671786

  • the_river_cass [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Sentences like “Israel is an Apartheid state” (which I just now reproduced for the sake of the argument, which can be seen as a problem i.e. in other contexts reproduction of specific words are a problem in itself) will get you a lot of flak

    Would you say instead “Israel’s government and military, utilizes apartheid like policies (in the sense of the UN) in the occupied territories” you would get a lot less flak.

    the first claim is emphatically not antisemitic, however. conflation of Jewish people with Israel is itself an antisemitic position. and the rewritten version isn't more nuanced - it's just making sure to include your evidence in the claim while avoiding the value judgment.

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Neither the UN definition, nor the history of South African Apartheid match Israel though (i.e. you have Arab and Palestinians in Israel who are in all branches of governments and courts, doesn't mean there isn't oppression).

      The occupied territories are a part in which policies that were called by reports Apartheid-like. So the statements are different and the first therefore can be read as antisemitic, cause it conflates only the Israeli nation as the apartheid state (ignoring all other colonialism that happens).

      The evidence is not just the same, it is more specific (and a much stronger argument could be done) and unlike the first one not wrong per se.