I'm sure you're not a fascist, but the argument you're adopting is a fascist one. Obviously I agree with you that you should have better protection at work, that your company should force customers to wear masks, properly enforce social distancing, and so on. If your business is non-essential they should close and you should get paid to stay at home (like the furlough scheme we've had here in the UK). If it's something essential like groceries then you should be protected as much as possible at work and you should be higher priority for a vaccine than anyone healthy in your age group that is in a non-essential job and getting paid to stay at home, or who's able to work from home. It's fucking monstrous that none of that's happening and you should feel every bit as pissed off as you do at the capitalist and ruling class for treating you like this.
None of that makes it any more right for you to make the leap to saying fuck the old and the sick, let them die. You know as well as I do that the vast majority of deaths and serious cases are the old and those with comorbidities, many of whom have been as careful as they could in their cirumstances. Part of the reason you're in such danger is that the exact same argument has been deployed against exactly the protections that you're rightly upset about not having! It's an evil, fascistic argument that's unworthy of you as a leftist.
I realise you've already sort of acknowledged that (if I'm understanding right), in which case, good, we agree, and I'm just reminding you that if you know your emotional reflex is towards a wrong, harmful, evil position then you should fight it as much as you can, not indulge it. Plus you have dozens of upvotes, and Randomdog's post that vaccinating a 92 year old is a "waste of everybody's time" is upvoted too, so even if you don't need to hear this, apparently some people do.
"A couple more years"? The *oldest * boomers are 74. That's even younger than that ghoul Ezekiel Emanuel's cutoff for when we should stop caring about human life.
Yes they have fewer years left than you but the risk of death from COVID increases with age fast enough that old people will on average lose more years of life if they catch it than young people, as I'm sure you know.
But long term disability from COVID in the young is extremely rare. Even when you account for that and the difference in life expectancy you're at less risk than an old person. More old people have died or become seriously ill from COVID than young people, so this difference in risk of infection isn't enough to change the priorities.
As I said to the other guy, if the science says that vaccinating people who are unavoidably exposed to other people will save more lives or more years of life than vaccinating the vulnerable, then I'm all for it. I don't think the science does say that which is why they're not doing it, but if you have some evidence I'm happy to change my mind on it. But that's not what I had a problem with
I agree that studies aren't the be all and end all, if common sense is clearly on one side of the argument. I'm just not sure it is in this case. See my response to the other guy on nursing homes.
Out of interest, why do you think it's being rolled out the way it is if it's so obviously going to lead to more deaths than doing it your way?
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I'm sure you're not a fascist, but the argument you're adopting is a fascist one. Obviously I agree with you that you should have better protection at work, that your company should force customers to wear masks, properly enforce social distancing, and so on. If your business is non-essential they should close and you should get paid to stay at home (like the furlough scheme we've had here in the UK). If it's something essential like groceries then you should be protected as much as possible at work and you should be higher priority for a vaccine than anyone healthy in your age group that is in a non-essential job and getting paid to stay at home, or who's able to work from home. It's fucking monstrous that none of that's happening and you should feel every bit as pissed off as you do at the capitalist and ruling class for treating you like this.
None of that makes it any more right for you to make the leap to saying fuck the old and the sick, let them die. You know as well as I do that the vast majority of deaths and serious cases are the old and those with comorbidities, many of whom have been as careful as they could in their cirumstances. Part of the reason you're in such danger is that the exact same argument has been deployed against exactly the protections that you're rightly upset about not having! It's an evil, fascistic argument that's unworthy of you as a leftist.
I realise you've already sort of acknowledged that (if I'm understanding right), in which case, good, we agree, and I'm just reminding you that if you know your emotional reflex is towards a wrong, harmful, evil position then you should fight it as much as you can, not indulge it. Plus you have dozens of upvotes, and Randomdog's post that vaccinating a 92 year old is a "waste of everybody's time" is upvoted too, so even if you don't need to hear this, apparently some people do.
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"A couple more years"? The *oldest * boomers are 74. That's even younger than that ghoul Ezekiel Emanuel's cutoff for when we should stop caring about human life.
Yes they have fewer years left than you but the risk of death from COVID increases with age fast enough that old people will on average lose more years of life if they catch it than young people, as I'm sure you know.
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But long term disability from COVID in the young is extremely rare. Even when you account for that and the difference in life expectancy you're at less risk than an old person. More old people have died or become seriously ill from COVID than young people, so this difference in risk of infection isn't enough to change the priorities.
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As I said to the other guy, if the science says that vaccinating people who are unavoidably exposed to other people will save more lives or more years of life than vaccinating the vulnerable, then I'm all for it. I don't think the science does say that which is why they're not doing it, but if you have some evidence I'm happy to change my mind on it. But that's not what I had a problem with
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I agree that studies aren't the be all and end all, if common sense is clearly on one side of the argument. I'm just not sure it is in this case. See my response to the other guy on nursing homes.
Out of interest, why do you think it's being rolled out the way it is if it's so obviously going to lead to more deaths than doing it your way?
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