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    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      9 months ago

      How fucked up is the world that people see neo-Nazis running around, and folks go out and beat up the neo-nazis, and they're terrified of the "brawl" instead of the actual fucking nazis?

      • daisy
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        9 months ago

        The last generation that actually remembers WW2 is dying of old age.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      9 months ago

      Right? This is the biggest bullshit.

      The left does a fundraiser, nazis show up with knives and the people in attendance at that fundraiser defend themselves by sending them running.

      There's no both sides here. There's good people doing a fundraiser doing self defence against nazis. The left didn't show up for a fight but they fucking finished one.

      • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        Imagine being a group of nazis so pathetic, you outnumhber and outmatch your prey and LOSE.

        This is beyond pulling a Goliath, this is like watching God somehow lose a fight to a rat.

    • forcequit [she/her]
      hexagon
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      9 months ago

      they're both ideologically motivated extremists in my book centrist

      • novibe@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        Exactly. We need civility. Let’s debate the Nazis, and show them they should be a bit more moderate.

        then let’s quietly abduct and minecraft all the commies, they aren’t people and threaten my status-quo

        • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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          9 months ago

          Yeah the nazoids try and minecraft socialists in australia now and again and the news doesn't say jack shit lol

        • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Don't suppose we can all hide our power levels and say we're just "libertarians fighting against all forms of socialism, including national socialism."

          • novibe@lemmy.ml
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            9 months ago

            I think the time to hide power levels is over. When the Nazis go mask-off, going mask-off as well is just a way to bring even more cryptonazis up to the surface…

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    9 months ago

    Exactly how you should deal with these people. Kick the shit out of them and put a wee bit of terror in them.

    Really like this format, should be repeated for similar events that happen in future elsewhere.

      • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        But aren't skinheads just nazis? Sorry if this is an obtuse question but I've always seen the term used interchangeably.

        • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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          9 months ago

          skinhead is punk subculture, but because of the word "skin" and the tendency of nazis to shave their heads and adopt punk culture aesthetics, the two began to be used interchangeably. So for a long time now there have been anti-fascist punks who aesthetically look like skinheads but will beat up an actual nazi if they see one. At least that's how I've had this explained to me. I've never been particularly immersed in that subculture.

          TL;DR fash-bash

          • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            That's not really correct. The first iteration of skinheads in Britain, late 60s, were a subculture with mod (white rockers) and rude boy (Jamaican immigrants) influences. Colloquially, reggae in the late 60s was referred to as skinhead reggae because skinheads were the biggest consumers of Jamaican music outside of the Caribbean. From an ideological standpoint, they were all over the place (benevolent toward blacks, with some 2nd gen Jamaicans in their ranks, but often hostile toward Pakistani immigration) but certainly not nazi or white power affiliated.

            The National Front in the 70s started co-opting skinheads as they saw the disaffected youth as a means to rise in power. This is the birth of the nazi skinhead movement as we know it (aped later in America by shitheads like Tom Metzger in Fallbrook, CA), which coincided with racist bands gaining popularity like Skrewdriver or Combat 84.

            However, most oi and street punk was antithetical to the National Front world view. In response, many prominent skinheads who were either apolitical to far Left (including Roddy Moreno of The Oppressed) started SHARP in response to the rise of skins identifying with National Front.

            So that's the basic history.

            • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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              9 months ago

              this

              the reason punk is bifurcated into antifascists and fascists is because it was a music subculture first, and only became a site of political contest later.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Skinhead is used to mean essentially "Nazi gangster with a shaved head" in popular parlance, but it has many different meanings that are older than that one.

        • Flower
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          9 months ago

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          • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            That's not really correct. It started in England as a fashion/musical subculture.

            • Flower
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              9 months ago

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  • SaniFlush [any, any]
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    9 months ago

    This is the leftist White Roses and not the alt right White Roses, right? Some CHUDs tried stealing the name a while back.