Unlisted video because I don't know why? It wasn't before. But this is by far one of the best critique videos of the show on the internet and very much worth your time.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    In the end it is one of the few anime that takes a strong position against sexual violence I think and that just is too much for people to accept.

    By using it to titillate their audience? I disagree. It is pandering to people with a violent rape fetish. The manga is worse for it, featuring rape, the threat of rape, upskirts and damsels in distress every couple of chapters. It is very much intended to engage the hentai doujin audience in the production of fanworks for it (and they do).

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I've seen that kind of song and dance before. The consumer consumed the product and doesn't want to feel bad about what they consume, so after the fact excuses for the bad parts must be fabricated.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah that definitely happens. I think people need to stop like moralising over consumer choices? I watched the show and will probably watch season 2, I enjoy certain aspects while also finding the show sus for these ones. It doesn't mean I'm bad for anything. We can be critical of art while also consuming it.

        People wrap too much of their identities up in things that they enjoy, "I enjoyed this therefore there is nothing wrong with it" is a frequent occurrence I see on reddit. Happens with videogames more than anything else though.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          I have problematic favorites too. I don't make excuses for them; I accept the bad parts exist and continue anyway.

          The GI Joe's 80s cartoon was part of my childhood and is screamingly terrible US imperial propaganda, for example. I still glance at it sometimes for kicks, and Dr Smoov did some great parodies, and the PSA gags on Youtube are classics.

          I really hate when outright right wing propaganda gets sophistically spun so someone feels less bad about consuming it.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            I really hate when outright right wing propaganda gets sophistically spun

            Oh boy you'd have loved the Attack on Titan discourse...

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Oh boy you'd have loved the Attack on Titan discourse...

              I was there. And I hated it everywhere I found it. Including on Hexbear. Hated the discourse. The goalposts were moved around in a sprint from "this is leftist actually" to "presenting something doesn't condone that something" to "let people enjoy things" to "you must be mentally ill because you don't like the treat."

    • TheDialectic [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Is it? Did I just fail to catch the nuances because of lack of cultural context?

      I cna for sure point to shows where it is guro or fan service stuff. Look at that one healer show or maiden abyss. If they wanted to go all in they could. It really looks like, to me, they tried and had mixed results. Which is wildly better than most anime that never tries. I know I am not the only person I have talked to to have this take. Is there like secret anti-korean vibes I am not picking up on or something?

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        I think you must have missed it? https://youtu.be/zVv4TJus-1c?t=442

        Watch this from here up to 12:50, it goes through a bit of it piece by piece explaining. Honestly there's probably better videos but it does a good enough job.

        • TheDialectic [none/use name]
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          1 year ago

          I dunno. I feel like he split it down the middle there. The scene wasn't handled well, granted. He did agree with me thst he rest of the show had intresting things to say and the source material was actually pretty good about the handling of it.