• ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    It was easily predicted that the west wouldn’t liberalize Ukraine, but that Ukraine would fascitize the west (even further).

    Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions. Of course the west would become extra fascist from getting heavily involved with a war on behalf of fascists. It’s so frustrating that we could see this was going to happen but could do nothing to stop it.

      • very_poggers_gay [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        insert the parenti quote about using fascism to defend capitalism while claiming to protect democracy from communism

      • PortugueseDragon [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        One of the founding countries of NATO was Portugal, which was under a FASCIST dictatorship under Salazar. It's always been clear what NATO is.

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Liberalism morphs into fascism when threatened under war conditions

      that's not remotely how it works

      fascism is an ideology that tends to crop up in societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system and there is a threat of communism to react to

      • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Wrong. Liberalism and fascism are the same exact thing under different parts of the capitalist cycle. They are the same people fighting for the same interests.

        If fascism requires a credible communist threat, why is it so widespread in Ukraine where there is no serious socialist center of power or movement? Fascism does require anti-communism, but it doesn’t require actual communists to oppose, just the Spectre of one in their imagination. It will find a suitable scapegoat and label it cultural marxist (as seen by the labeling of the Russian’s as “the new USSR” and conspiracies about Putin being controlled by the “commie Jews” or the “chicoms”)

        Fascism does arise in crumbling capitalist states in periods of crisis, that much is true which is why I said it’s Liberalism under bad conditions.

      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        societies where hiring gangs of thugs to brutalise people is an accepted and common part of the economy and political system

        So cops?