And if that's the intended direction, then that's totally fine! I just can't help but think of what the old sub was so good at, which was being an effective lib-to-leftist pipeline. Hell, it always amazes me to hear of how many people came to the sub at first as some flavor of reactionary chud, but wound up becoming a better person in that environment.
Becoming an ever more exclusive club of people who only ever agree with each other is not a great way to keep doing that imo. Again, straight up shitty people should get the metaphorical (and not so metaphorical) Wall. Bans on sight for terfs is great. But the whole "debatebro" rule business, and to a lesser extent the downvote banwave (which had a bunch of false positives, rip in pepperoni AStonedApe) is not a great way forward I don't think.
But if that's the direction we're going, then so be it I guess.
The reason why the sub was able to be a pipeline was because it was on reddit, being one degree of separation from millions of people can't be replicated on an independent platform imo. And I really just have no sympathy for people who got caught up in a ban wave mistakenly and had a reaction other than mild annoyance. like what? your good name (which is hopefully completely untraceable to you irl) has been tarnished?
I mean, I thought we were doing recruitment drives for here? I know I've been DMing people on reddit who I've seen posting good takes, and a few have messaged me back saying they liked it here and signed up, even. Also wasn't there a thing with the watermarking memes to post on other sites that I'm remembering, or did that fizzle out? Not to mention the potential recruitment when federation comes.
And yeah, the whole "tarnishing of their name" is literally what AStonedApe said they felt had happened to them, they explicitly said that after they were publicly named & shamed in the transphobe downvote banwave that their friendships with specific other posters on here was harmed by that. And so what if people get attached to a username? I feel like it's kinda dismissive to sneer at that idea given that it's been recently decided that downvotes are problematic.
Getting banned and losing a username that maybe you've used for years across different sites (leaving aside the fact that that may be dumb from an opsec standpoint) is a much bigger deal than internet points that literally don't even do anything on this site, hell your personal total isn't even displayed anywhere for a basic user to see!
But anyway, I don't want to keep banging on about this with you, I'll just disengage and say that you do have some good points about the importance of fostering a welcoming space for marginalized people on here, I am totally for that. It's possible I'm just being a bit reactionary about all this and need to self crit. My own personal anxiety issues are already yelling at me in my head to just stfu and go back to lurking anyway, so I suppose that's what I'll do. Hope you don't have any hard feelings, and have a good night.
It's fine dude, I appreciate the conversation! I don't think you have said anything reactionary I think there is just a divide in what we think this website is for.
And if that's the intended direction, then that's totally fine! I just can't help but think of what the old sub was so good at, which was being an effective lib-to-leftist pipeline. Hell, it always amazes me to hear of how many people came to the sub at first as some flavor of reactionary chud, but wound up becoming a better person in that environment.
Becoming an ever more exclusive club of people who only ever agree with each other is not a great way to keep doing that imo. Again, straight up shitty people should get the metaphorical (and not so metaphorical) Wall. Bans on sight for terfs is great. But the whole "debatebro" rule business, and to a lesser extent the downvote banwave (which had a bunch of false positives, rip in pepperoni AStonedApe) is not a great way forward I don't think.
But if that's the direction we're going, then so be it I guess.
The reason why the sub was able to be a pipeline was because it was on reddit, being one degree of separation from millions of people can't be replicated on an independent platform imo. And I really just have no sympathy for people who got caught up in a ban wave mistakenly and had a reaction other than mild annoyance. like what? your good name (which is hopefully completely untraceable to you irl) has been tarnished?
I mean, I thought we were doing recruitment drives for here? I know I've been DMing people on reddit who I've seen posting good takes, and a few have messaged me back saying they liked it here and signed up, even. Also wasn't there a thing with the watermarking memes to post on other sites that I'm remembering, or did that fizzle out? Not to mention the potential recruitment when federation comes.
And yeah, the whole "tarnishing of their name" is literally what AStonedApe said they felt had happened to them, they explicitly said that after they were publicly named & shamed in the transphobe downvote banwave that their friendships with specific other posters on here was harmed by that. And so what if people get attached to a username? I feel like it's kinda dismissive to sneer at that idea given that it's been recently decided that downvotes are problematic.
Getting banned and losing a username that maybe you've used for years across different sites (leaving aside the fact that that may be dumb from an opsec standpoint) is a much bigger deal than internet points that literally don't even do anything on this site, hell your personal total isn't even displayed anywhere for a basic user to see!
But anyway, I don't want to keep banging on about this with you, I'll just disengage and say that you do have some good points about the importance of fostering a welcoming space for marginalized people on here, I am totally for that. It's possible I'm just being a bit reactionary about all this and need to self crit. My own personal anxiety issues are already yelling at me in my head to just stfu and go back to lurking anyway, so I suppose that's what I'll do. Hope you don't have any hard feelings, and have a good night.
It's fine dude, I appreciate the conversation! I don't think you have said anything reactionary I think there is just a divide in what we think this website is for.