I can't believe I gave these people money.

  • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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    4 years ago

    yeah it's the same shit they used on bernie in the debate. 'how are we gonna pay for it?' despite the fact that it would actually save money... just not for the people who are already making bank profiting off of death.

    • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I don't see how it's the same. Neolibs are saying "how are we going to pay for it" to suggest that it cannot be paid for. DSA is saying the bill is still in 6 committees and the committees have not decides how it should be paid for yet, basically saying it is an incomplete bill. Meaning House Democrats are stalling

      • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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        4 years ago

        you have more faith in them than i do. to me they're using language that mirrors the DNC's position on it, and trying to justify their opposition to force the vote, despite them initially promoting it, before all of their reps declined to press pelosi.

        • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I don't have faith in them I just don't know how to read it any other way

          The Medicare for All bill in the House needs to pass through six Committees’ jurisdiction, and it currently lacks financing language (i.e. how to pay for it), so it’s not a bill that can be voted on yet. This is why getting the bill out of committee has been one of DSA’s priorities .Over the past few years, working with other national and local groups, we’ve succeeded in pressuring chairs to hold the first hearings on Medicare for All in the Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, Rules, and Budget committees. These hearings were historic; the first ever on Medicare for All legislation.

          to me this says its incomplete and we want it to be completed. The bill had hearings, which is a start, but were not completed. I don't know how else to interpret it. The DNC position is not that House Democrats are dragging their feet and are the only reason its not complete

            • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Is that not a factual statement? House Democrats have not prioritized this bill and there are 6 committees that have not finished their work. Financing language is probably some of the work that is remaining. They could've said "House Democrats refuse to complete M4A bill so it can't be voted on" and it would mean the same thing

              • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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                4 years ago

                yeah, that's what they should have said. that's the point, they're mirroring the DNC language and homogenizing. they even stan for pelosi "not being able to deliver" a vote. this is passive language.

                • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  I'm not understanding how any of this is DNC language. The DNC says that M4A impossible, not that the Ways and Means Committee has not yet adding financing language.

                  But we also recognize that Speaker Pelosi alone can’t deliver us a floor vote.

                  If this is actually the case then people should be aware of this. If Pelosi alone can deliver a floor vote then people should aware of that. I guess they could've said that as Speaker it is Pelosi's fault that the committees have not prioritized M4A but realistically anyone who is reading this is well aware of that.

                  • garbage [none/use name,he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    the dnc literally says m4a is impossible because "we can't pay for it."

                    the dsa knows that m4a will save money, they've seen the bill. so when they say, and i'll quote it

                    currently lacks financing language (i.e. how to pay for it)

                    they're saying "we have no way to pay for it." which is bogus, and the reason they're getting shit on in this post.