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I think it's hard to compare.
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The subreddit had people coming from across reddit to stir shit, so there was more of an assumption that reactionary posts were from outside users
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The sub was far more active, so you saw more comments in support of trans-positivity and against transphobia, so there was a more reassuring vibe
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The amount of activity also meant that raids were less noticeable
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Fewer users means names are more recognizable, so it may be easier to apply targeted harassment
Among other differences.
I'm not really in a position to say whether the site is more or less friendly, but the above reasons make it difficult for me to compare the two.
It's pretty hard to remember details about a shitposting community from 3 years ago. But I suspect at that time that /r/CTH was far more problematic than chapo.chat is now.
If you have this, don’t you dare keep it from us. That was gun struggle session time right? Also, sushi comped
SAM KRISS SAM KRISS SAM KRISSS
oh wait that was like late 2017.
LANA DEL RATHEON LANA DEL RATHEON LANA DEL RATHEON
we need a struggle session nostalgia thread
If I remember right, it also had comparable amounts of struggle sessions. But it also was able to grow much, much faster, so it's dynamics also changed very rapidly from those of a small community (as is ours right now) to a bigger one
I came to cth around 5 or 6k. I didn’t find the sub to be transphobic at that time, but rather misogynistic. It’s tough to compare because a completely different time frame and dynamic. I think a pronoun struggle session would have been similarly bad.
I’ll also add that while there were a good chunk of trans users, they weren’t as visible perhaps. Idk
Was that after the cumtown and stupidpol people were pushed out? There was still quite a few prominent anti-idpol people on the sub when I joined in early 2017 but I also seem to remember it getting better pretty quickly. Of course there also wasn't a lot of the explicitly pro-trans stuff on the subreddit either. You and the rest of the mod team would have definitely faced a ton of backlash had you required pronoun flairs.
That timeline makes sense. I never followed the drama too closely but there was definitely a change in the culture of the sub around the end of 2017/beginning of 2018 that made it much less welcoming to the anti-idpol people, which I guess inspired stupidpol.
This is the only accurate answer. The sub wasn't nearly as full of trans related posts at the beginning anyways like this place was.
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Its a hard question to answer. I would say about the same, except we've got trans mods and admins that are being more active about pushing back against it - which has caused it to become more visible.
More trans friendly probably because there was a clear political project that the sub was mostly focused on back then and isn't the case right now. Trans issues weren't discussed as much, but when they were the conversations were driven by people who supported trans comrades.
The infighting here is no different than the increase in infighting seen on Twitter since the end of the Bernie campaign and election of Biden.
Honestly I haven't really seen the transphobia on the website at this point but mostly because I haven't been looking for it, but I do feel like there was more trans specific content that showed up higher on the old subreddit. I'm subscribed to multiple trans boards on here but I almost never see content unless I go to the board itself and since it's usually just a quick scroll on the first page or two for me most of the time, I really don't get too deep.
I do know though that I had one of the most hostile experiences on the old sub the winter of 2019-2020. I got into a severe argument with some asshole that refused to acknowledge that Howie Hawkins had a transphobic faux pas misgendering Chelsea Manning. They were beating up on some other person in the comments that had posted not too long before that they were in a vulnerable mental position. They personally attacked me and refused to budge an inch and starting out I got downvoted pretty heavily. Pretty much sent me into my own spiral for a few days after it. I had checked at the time and know they were a heavy chapo user and not some outside person since they were posting stuff and commenting on the sub for over a year as well. People like that came along to the new site I'd imagine. Eventually the mods did react to the actual personal attacks the person was doing, but they weren't really ever banned from the sub since a few weeks later they were still posting there.
I suppose my conclusion is that since the community shrank since the subreddit days, power users like that did come along and brought their asshole ways with them. I do remember though that the subreddit was the only other subreddit where I felt 'at home' on reddit outside of trans communities since I didn't usually have to worry about blatant transphobia. I think the thing that sold me on the subreddit relatively early on was the weekly trans cutie threads, even if I didn't post in them, I felt like there was a place for me.
I'm not active enough to tell but I don't remember issues on the old site when it was big
